If our Constitution made liberalism, in effect, illegal what should we do with them?

How very, very, very, very conservative of you. Good job showing your colors.

 

I'm getting a very strong not even an American vibe on that one.

 

How does one outlaw "statist politics"?By using the state to do so, the act of outlawing "statists politics" a statist political move. And if it did outlaw it, how could it enforce it, as it takes statist efforts to create the mechanism of any enforcement. Funding it, hiring enforcement personnel, offices, vehicles, telephones, lawyers, and on and on and on. Where does this come from?

 

Have you not learned the grammatical use of "articles" in the English language yet comrade?

 

Pure fantasy. By the way, it would seem you don't believe in or support the Constitution. Your entire OP is nothing but faux outrage.

 

You are talking about a guy who accuses liberals of being anti-Semites. He is nothing but fake news.

 

Did your thread accusing liberals of being anti-Semites finally ran out of steam?

 

No. They did not. Please point out where in the Constitution is this stated. Note the founding fathers escaped political tyranny - Which exactly what you are suggesting.

 

Especially considering his rudeness towards 'the'. However, in the past he has claimed to be an 85 year old man living in an old folks home. And he does use a lot of Ayn Rand like terms. Although, if you have ever listened to Mark Levin....

 

Fake news. Liberals only work a 10 hours week? You are living in lala land.

 

Well then senility might partially explain it.

 

You do know that the concept of a constitution came from liberal quarters, don't you? And the purpose of a constitution is to lay down the framework within which the government, thus the state, operates. Without a state, a constitution is just words.

 

I often get the idea that there are conservative types who seem to not realize that their right to free speech does not preclude others from also exercising their right to free speech.

 

Can't say that I have ever worked for the government. Paid my mortgage off almost twenty years ago, when I was 40. I live close in enough that I really don't need a car, or the expense that goes with one. I pretty much have everything I need. Thus, I don't need a lot of money to get by on. Working two days a week is enough to earn enough to get by. Maybe 12 hours a week. Leaves me plenty of time for my social life.

 

1) the Constitution did not make anyone a liberal
2) Conservatives in general hate the principles on which this nation was founded.
3) Your desire for theocratic totalitarianism is an anathema to the founding principles.

 

Like, how does one outlaw statists without using the state?

 

While statism may be one source of evil. Theocracy is another - which is what you believe in - a complete anathema to the Founders and the Constitution.

Silly Rabbit - Tricks are for Kids !

 

I think people are confused on what liberalism is.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned. Liberalism is the belief that I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

We don't see this type of liberalism from the left. I've seen the push to make statements into hate speech. In the leftist country of Canada they are compelling speech with regards to trans people that is anti-liberal.

Liberalism is the belief in Liberty for an individual basically it's libertarian. We've changed the word because it has been used to describe leftist.

The prefix liber means free or save. Think about the word liberate, and liberty. These words don't mean restrict.

 

'Traditional Conservatives' stayed loyal to the Crown, supported a limited electoral franchise, supported the conquest of Indian land, slavery, colonialism & the quasi-dictatorships that ran the post-reconstruction South. They opposed child labour laws, environmental regulation, any government attempt to ameliorate the worst excesses of industrialisation & all manner of civil rights.

They belonged to parties across the spectrum at various times & have never had a problem with 'statism' as long as they get what they want. Trump's people fit nicely into this category. More so than people like Paul Ryan or Rand Paul, who adhere to a much more recent version of Conservatism that is more of an outlier than its adherents want to believe.

 

Americans are very confused about what 'Liberalism' is. They use it interchangeably for anything left of centre rather than understanding that it is a broad description of positions held by people on both left and right.

America's founders would have been considered 'liberals' in their time and they played out many of the different strains of liberalism: big government v small government; the relative value of different rights etc.

Thus the same people who thought it essential that people have free speech & the right to bear arms also thought that the property rights of slave owners overrode the human rights of slaves. It is hard to imagine a position more at odds with 'liberty' than slavery, yet America's liberators were fine with it.

Those tensions & others have never gone away - the battle between 'freedom to' and 'freedom from' is ongoing. Both key strands within liberalism. Americans have developed some very odd terminology around these battles while pretending that whole, vast strains of Conservative tradition don't exist (this makes discussions of European politics & history close to impossible with many Americans - see any discussion on Nazism).

 

What actually is that site?

 

This is just to remind us that the alt-right, just like the alt-left are very dangerous elements in this country and those of us outside of those two groups need to be constantly vigilant and legally prevent them from ever coming into power.

 

I don't think you understand; your version and interpretation of what is treason is most likely diametrically different from what the laws of this country dictate.

 

The concept of a Constitution has been around since ancient times, long before your "progressive" version of liberalism.

 

Tell us again your gleeful stories of how your Rose City Antifa troglodytes beat down people who express ideas you don't agree with.