"Ignore the Haters: Obama Helped Save the U.S. Economy"

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  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is there to communicate?

    o Economy that was tanking at a -9% rate and shedding 700,000+ jobs a month turned around
    o 54 straight months of private sector employment growth.
    o 115% increase in the stock markets since taking office
    o Halved the deficit in 4 years.
    o Got Osama bin Laden.
    o Saved 2-3 million jobs with stimulus package
    o First decrease in spending in a year in decades - 3 times.
    o Stock markets up 160% since bottom of the recession in 2009
    o Over 10 million additional private sector jobs created since Jan 2010
    o Oil production increasing for the first time in decades.
    o Ousted Muamar Kadaffi at 1/1000 the cost of the Iraq war
    o Deficit reduced by a then record $212 billion, down 16%, in 2012.
    o Deficit reduced by a new record $408 billion, down 37%, in 2013
    o Record corporate profits
    o Passed health care reform that will provide coverage to tens of millions of Americans
    o 4 straight years of GDP growth
    o Unemployment rate dropped from 10% to 5.9%
    o U.S. becomes world's top petroleum and energy producer
    o Passed financial regulation reform to prevent another housing bubble fiasco.
    o Diplomatically coerced Syria to give up WMD without war or loss of single American life.
    o Recovered all jobs lost in the worst recession in 80 years
    o Lowest rate of spending increases of any president in modern history
    o On-budget deficit has decreased every full fiscal year he's been in office.
    o US domestic oil use decreasing
    o Net creation of millions of people employed despite inheriting a economy losing 700,000+ jobs a month.

    If Obama had been a white Republican, conservatives would be hailing him as savior.

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    Write your Republican Tea Party reps and tell them to compromise with a tax increase if you really are concerned about the debt.

    The last one has done wonders for the deficit.
     
  2. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    I'm not one of those people that think you should dun the middle class and pile yet more debt on their backs to make up for eight years of unconscionably irresponsible spending by the president and his party.

    But apparently you are.
     
  3. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tax increase don't add to the deficit. They decrease it. See e.g. 1993, 2013.

    Bush is no longer president.
     
  4. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    Ah, Iriemon... it is so clear to everyone else -- why can't you just see it for what it is? Obama didn't do anything so very wrong, and his "spoils system" Stimulus didn't really do anything right. Truth is, all in all, Obama didn't do anything. You on the Left blame Republican "obstruction", while we on the Right see what the muscle and power of this "recovery" was/is really attributable to -- the Federal Reserve System combine and other central banker cartels throughout the world.

    The instant that the Feds and central banks show the slightest sign that they are going to back off and let free-market forces regain unobstructed, non-manipulated participation in the economy, what happens?! We saw it again just this past week! The market tumbles hundreds of points on fear. Then it regains hundreds of points on "hope" that the Fed and the central banks will give the economy another "fix" -- like giving heroin to an addict. Then it falls hundreds of points again, because, deep down, these stock market gamblers know that the whole damn "recovery" thing is bull****, manipulation, coercion, and fraud!

    We've been through this a hundred times, but it is nonetheless true -- Idiot Bush allowed the Fed and the Fed infiltrators in the government to run amok, building vast paper fortunes for investment bankers, and then Idiot Obama came after Bush -- but essentially the same witless handpuppet that Bush was. The only difference was that Obama became the "face" of a socialist "Santa Claus", shoveling out the welfare to approximately half the population. No one could attack him without being slandered as a "racist"! The welfare crowd loved him with the same "love" I can get from squirrels in my back yard when I throw them a few handfuls of peanuts every day.

    Now, evidently, we're STUCK. We've got half the country on welfare of one variety or another, and we've got a small percentage of those the Fed "rescued" who have made even more money than ever in a stock market that is probably overvalued by at least one-third. If the Fed and the other central banks cut their "addicts" off from any more easy-money "heroin", this gigantic fraud-balloon they've inflated will come crashing back to economic REALITY. So, they kick the can down the road? Forever? And you on the Left crown Obama's head with laurel wreathes for some kind of economic miracle that he had nothing to do with? This makes absolutely no sense to me at all -- especially not in you because you, Iriemon, are intelligent, well-informed, logical, and fact-based, IMHO. What actually is there in Barack Obama that commands such adulation and admiration? His ability to run the country with "a pen and a phone"? Do you like the idea of a "benevolent dictator"? I hope so. We've sure as hell got one now! And even if Republicans keep the House and take the Senate, it will do no good, because we're stuck with Adolf Obama until noon, January 20, 2017, whether we like it or not....
     
  5. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No truer quotes personify the guy. Plus Obama was defined by Michelle
    as Not a Community Organizer but as a " Community Activist ".
    Which explains why he trained ACORN wanabees in Chicago,the home of
    both his Real Father and Communist Member { Frank Marshall Davis } and also
    the father of Community Organizing for Radicals { Saul Alinsky }.
    Obama is getting vetted even in spite of his rigid following by a lapdog Mainstream media.
     
  6. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks, you've already shared the RW propaganda line. 92% of economists disagree as do the numberous bipartisan and independent sources I've shown you several times.

    But don't let facts interfere with your RW propaganda rants.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong ... Pure Pap. Bush's tax cuts for everyone paying income tax reaped
    record revenues to the Treasury.Bush not only set some record with revenues
    to the Treasury with Tax CUTS he also got us out of the Clinton-inherited
    recession of 2ooo.
    You are not only wrong but wrong at the top of yer posting voice.
     
  8. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    The middle class has already seen a loss of 40% in net worth since 2007 through 2010 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...ricans-Wealth-Plummeted-40-from-2007-to-2010#
    And you want to pile on a tax increase on top of that to make up for the trillions of debt added to our backs by Obama's unconscionably wasteful spending? Are you on crack? Or just don't give a damn how people are supposed to exist out there?

    Did you just find out?
     
  9. Pollycy

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    Your "92% of economists" have anything to say about why half the country is still on welfare-suck? Your "92% of economists" have any specifics about what Adolf Obama actually did when juxtaposed with what the Federal Reserve crafted on its own behind closed doors with the other central bankers and the IMF "behind the curtain"? Your "92% of economists" have anything other than vague, theoretical ideas about when and if the United States economy, workers' careers, and growth (REAL growth) will ever appear in this country again? Your "92% of economists" have any concrete idea when all these wonderous Obama-esque hopey-changey ideas are going to get Billy and Suzy out of Mommy and Daddy's house, off welfare, and start living real lives with real careers, fulfilling real aspirations and goals?!

    I simply can't understand this, Iriemon. Damn it, you're too smart to believe this Obamanite horse****. I've been reading your posts for years and I am convinced that no one as inept and empty-minded as Barack Obama could fool someone like you. There must be another explanation....
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is the exact same ploy that Al Gore uses to keep his Global Warming
    Climate Warming Hoax ongoing.He runs around bragging that ALL or a huge
    majority of Scientists consider it settled science.Pure Pap for Stooges.
    You use slovenly economics the way Hannity guest Austan Goolsbee { Obama's
    youngest cabinet member and former chairman of the Council of Economic
    Advisors } does to his constant chagrin.Making a literal arse of himself in front
    of Fox's Number One rated time slot.The Goolsbee is now at the University of
    Chicago where he belongs.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just usual Democrat,radicalized dopey,looney talking pts.
    Which is all the democrat party is good for.That and smearing Good Americans
    and Americana. Democrats don't fix squat.In fact they are professionals at breaking
    stuff.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Halved the deficit in 4 years.? Because starting in 2009 Obama was QUARDUPLING
    deficits.Averaging deficits of $ 1.25 TRILLION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The Bush Budget deficit in 2007 was $ 161 BILLION. Got it ... Billion ... NOT
    Trillion. That was a year before the Tarp bailout.
    What else ya got.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When a President goes hog crazy and runs up huge record level yearly
    deficits average $ 1.25 Trillion per year for 4 straight years then when the
    President does decide to finally Cut deficits they look huge.Because the
    RISE in deficits under Obama was dynamically Huge.
    Plus Harry Reid refused to even debate a budget let alone pass one.
    Obama's Senate under Reid did not pass a single budget in Obama's
    first term.That is why Obama did not talk the Economy in the summer of
    2012.He instead ran around with the Bogus Democrat War on Women and
    1% er talk vs. 47% ers.
    Obama's first term was w/o a budget presented by the Senate.
    This same Senate under Reid who has well over 300 Republican passed
    bills sitting on his desk waiting to be taken up for a vote in the Senate.
     
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    A rather lame response from the self appointed economic guru. So, lets get back to the reality, shall we?

    Respond to this...

    So...who do you hate?

    And then this:
    Try responding with something other than liberal/progressive talking points this time....go ahead....give it a shot....
     
  15. EyesWideOpen

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    Exactly. The top 1% are the only ones seeing a recovery.

    Median family income has fallen by 8%.

    Poverty is at a 50 year high.

    The labor force participation rate is at a thirty year low.

    Full-time jobs are declining, replaced by a greater percentage of part-time jobs

    But not to worry, we throw crumbs like food stamps and never ending unemployment insurance extensions, while the uber rich just get richer.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Ironic part is this.THE 2 biggest groups that voted for Obama were the
    Poor and the Rich. While Obama was virtually attacking the 1% ers he was
    in actuality building a Political Aristocracy of the be Wealthy Bureaucrats.
    Forget K street ,Obama is finding ways of using graft to Influence his
    Dictatorship while lining the pockets of Lobbyists who in turn vote and
    support his policies regardless of their merit.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Any revenues under Bush were proportionally far from a record, and his tax cuts contributed over a trillion to the debt.
     
  18. Mr_Truth

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    What you say is true.

    But part of the problem is the failure of Democrats to assist in marketing that truth. Where are the Democrats to discuss the fact that the corporate world is enjoying its highest profits since 1900 or that Wall Street has had a banner 8 years under President Obama?

    Where are the Republicans to admit to any of that?

    There is a limit to what the president can say about his accomplishments. The rest is up to his defenders and critics alike. But on the one hand the former are silent while on the other hand the latter is too dishonest to admit to the president's success.


    The silence and the dishonesty needs to stop. But I wouldn't bet against this happening any time soon.
     
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    NO what recovery we have is largely to the credit of the Republicans and gridlock which while it has kept the Dems from creating any more disasters however it has also kept the REpublicans from unleashing the economy now largely chained by democratic policies that reward sloth over industry.
     
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    Too bad that the Republicans have failed to come up with a job creation plan and that they have refused to implement President Obama's plan to reform tax shelter laws which bring back trillions in capital to the USA.
     
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    And of course no one asks why it is the rich are getting richer. while everyone else is taking a bath?
     
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    Hmm. Reagan was handed an economy that starts with a +8% gain, giving him a better mean despite the economy tanking in his first three years...

    ... versus Obama, who was handed an economy that starts with a nearly -6% loss, giving him a worse mean despite pulling it out of that nosedive in less than a year.

    Great comparison. :eyeroll:
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    False. The 2009 budget was projected to hit $1.2 trillion two weeks before Obama took office. That projection was increased to $1.9 trillion shortly after he took office.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're attempt to dodge doesn't change the situation.

    I didn't write it, it was in the article I quoted, hence the italics.

    But there certainly are legions of Obama haters. We see their posts every day.

    I agree with it and already responded. It is not Obama's policies that are protecting low taxes on the rich and cutting programs that help the middle class.

    I agree the wealthiest have benefitted most.

    Write your Republican Tea Party reps and tell them to raise taxes on the rich and quite cutting spending that helps the middle class.
     
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    I think they buy into the RW propaganda. Obama's approval ratings are running in the mid 40s, about the same as they have been except for around the elections. There is no reason for the Dems to run away from his policies IMO. They hurt themselves by doing so.
     

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