Ilhan Omar Continues Her Anti-Semitism

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  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    You said "Scarcely dominated unless you do a lot of cherry picking". That's not true is it? Can you refer to one example of left wing terrorism? We know that right wing terrorism has seen upward trends. We also know that between 2001 and 2016, according to the US Extremist Crime Database, 74% of attacks were from right wing extremists and 26% were from Islamic extremists.
     
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    The body count however is vastly smaller and again the problem lies in right wing is defined.
     
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    So we have most terrorist acts committed by the right wing. We also have you incapable of referring to left wing terrorism. We're back to what I originally said...
     
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    One has to be careful in reading statistics on Hate crimes. There is a lot of covering for Muslim extremists for fear it will provoke retaliation. For example, most lists of extremist violence don't include
    the Pulse nightclub shooting that left 49 dead as an act of Muslim extremism, even though the shooter was a Muslim and said his religion was the reason for the attack. Instead they list the shooting as
    an example of anti-gay violence. The nightclub was only one of several targets the shooter had considered.
     
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    Red herring. Take Global Terrorism Database information. The perpetrator is quite clearer marked under the banner "Jihadi-inspired extremists"
     
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    Again the problem is in the definition of right wing. A definition pretty much ordained by no less and paranoid maniac than Joe Stalin himself and therefore suspect.
     
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    Left wing. Most deaths and acts of terror against humans has been done by the left wing. Almost all genocide has been carried out by these far left wing governments and people.

    Nazi's - Left wing
    Communist Russia - Left wing
    Communist China - Left wing
    Communist North Korea - Left wing
    KKK - Left wing
    Pol Pot - Left wing.

    Nobody has committed more crimes against humanity than the far left wing gov'ts of this world that masquerade as Democratic but are really fascist and Communist and totalitarian.
     
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  8. Reiver

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    I stopped here, knowing that you won't be able to craft a reasoned comment.
     
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    Of course you did. The truth is harder to swallow than all the lies that have been told over the years.

    Fascist gov't and totalitarian socialistic rule is a far left wing ideology. Always has been.
     
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    That you'd even think Hitler was socialist shows complete innocence of political economy. Here's some education...

    Fascism is a jampot of joviality because of its multiple definitions. To highlight its right wing nature, however, there are several elements we can refer to. I'd first refer to Keserich's definition of fascism as 'the reactionary and terroristic dictatorship of finance capital'. I'd then describe how fascism is incompatible with socialist political economy. Zanden (1960, American Journal of Economics and Sociology, Vol 19, pp 399-411) is a good source. First, the movement is characterised by anti-intellectualism ('obedience, discipline, faith and a religious belief in the cardinal tenets of the Fascist creed are put forth as the supreme values of a perfect Fascist. Individual thinking along independent lines is discouraged. What is wanted is not brains, daring ideas, or speculative faculties, but character pressed in the mold of Fascism'). That is closer to a worship of alienation. Second, we have the belief in the distribution of innate ability (i.e. the Theory of the Elites where those with a natural talent for ruling rule over the masses). A socialist, on the other hand, appreciates the destructiveness of class. Third, we have a reaction against democracy: 'the mass of men is created to be governed and not to govern; is created to be led and not to lead, and is created, finally, to be slaves and not masters: slaves of their animal instincts, their physiological needs, their emotions, and their passions'. That ain't participatory socialism! Fourth, we have 'fascism is in its broadest meaning a revolt against the modern age, against democratisation, secularisation and internationalism'. That is conservatism! Fifth, we have corporatism where fascism is defined as 'a system of political and economic decision-making based on the representation of organised interest groups in government' (Sarti). Ultimately fascism and economics, unlike socialism, do not go well together. The economics of fascism is actually 'economics by mistake, not design'. But isn't that the case with most right wing schools?
     
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    What statements did Omar make that you consider "anti Semitic"?
     
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    Hitler was head of:

    National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

    :)

    Socialist - totalitarian gov't = left wing

    you can spin it all you want but it's still left wing ideology and it murdered millions. Nowhere near as Communist/socialist Soviet Union, though. Or left wing Communist China.
     
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    Given you're incapable of responding to what is said, clearly you aren't able to debate. Goodbye. Enjoy the ignorance!
     
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    You just ignore obvious facts because the myths and lies of socialism are not easily sold to people who can use their intellect.
     
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    If the Nazis were socialist why was the first order when they took power to eradicate the socialists?

    Have you considered that the Nazis lied about their political alignment to gain popular support?
     
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    They were totalitarian - left wing socialists and fascists.

    Not much different than the Soviet Union.
     
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    Obama supporters were of a different mentality. What would possess one, so as to think wearing a maga hat, or any such thing, as a badge of honor, or even a good idea. Is it the conformist nature of conservatives at play?
     
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    baaa baaa.
     
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    Conservative America, where men are men, and sheep are nervous.
     
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    Shear sophistry On all counts all boiling down to swearing that Nazis - National Socialists - are right wingers because we say so and little else. Never mind that their economic policies are much the same as yours.
     
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    Notice you couldn't rebuke anything I said. Nazi policies had nothing to do with socialism, given worker ownership and control is alien to the theory of the elites. They changed very little, except for ensuring efficiency for their mass murder. Try Buchheim and Scherner (2007, The Role of Private Property in the Nazi Economy: The Case of Industry, Journal of Economic History, Vol 66, pp 390-416):

    "Private property in the industry of the Third Reich is often considered a mere nominal provision without much substance. However, that is not correct, because firms, despite the rationing and licensing activities of the state, still had ample scope to devise their own production and investment profiles. Even regarding war-related projects, freedom of contract was generally respected; instead of using power, the state offered firms a number of contract options to choose from. There were several motives behind this attitude of the regime, among them the conviction that private property provided important incentives for increasing efficiency"
     
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    Garyd,
    Among Omar's anti-Semitic comments were, "I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country." This was considered to imply that
    American Jews' first allegiance is to Israel rather than the US.

    "Israel has hypontized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel."

    In mid-February she tweeted that support for Israel in the US Congress was "all about the Benjamins," suggesting the pro-Israel lobby was buying off American politicians. This led to even Democrats to publicly condemn her comments.

    Deborah Lipstadt, an Emory University Professor and a leading scholar of anti-semitism said, "She may think she is only criticizing Israel and its policies, but one cannot ignore the fact that she is
    relying on traditional anti-Semitic tropes to do so."
     
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    For a more reasoned account try: https://www.newstatesman.com/world/...nced-anti-semitism-ilhan-omar-backlash-deeply
     
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    Yeah yeah Yeah Top down centralized everything same as a Maoist China, same as Stalinist Russia, the only thing changes is the ******* at the top. the only difference was Hitler and Mussolini figured Mr. businessman was more useful as a slave than as fertilizer all though that could be an option if you didn't do what you were told.
     
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    A low brow response irrelevant to what I said. Shame you couldn't try for more. Have a jolly day!
     
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