Immigration and Deportation

I was never a fan of Trump but how hard must it be for him when every federal employee from the NSA chief to the mail clerk at the pentagon are trying to sabotage him?

 

So if I broke into your house and became a financial burden and continued to live in your house against your will but was in all other ways an OK guy you would invite me to stay? Their path to citizenship should be to leave and come back but jump through all the necessary hoops required to be here legally. Having behaved yourself while here illegally isn't a free pass we have laws for a reason.

 

The Donald fixin' the backup in immigration courts...

President deploys 50 judges to immigration detention facilities across America to speed up deportations
Saturday 11th March, 2017 | WASHINGTON, U.S. - In a bid to reduce the massive backlog of over half a million cases in the immigration courts, U.S. President Donald Trump has deployed 50 judges to immigration detention facilities across the country.

 

nobody is deporting immigrants, and immigrants do have a path to citizenship. Criminal illegal aliens are not 'immigrants', they're criminals.

Criminal illegal aliens do have criminal histories, by definition, and are committing felonies by working here.

We can't provide enough jobs for own population growth. We don't need immigrants, and we certainly don't need Muslims, who aren't going to actually be 'vetted', a there is no way to vet them properly.

 

Truely amazed I find myself in complete agreement with you ...

 

This is why it's up to those who voted for him to jack up their support of him; we all knew he was going to be harassed and sabotaged by his own 'Party' leadership if he won. If his voters were serious about change they need to ramp it up, not fade away and whine. It's a long haul cause.

 

A strange word play when one considers the following:

Here ... more or less ... is distinguished between illicit immigrants and criminal illegal immigrants. Strange ... elsewhere in this forum is said that any illegal immigration is a cruel act. Is this no longer the case or how should I understand this?

However, all the Islamists here, who can free their hatred of all Muslims with the worst abuse, then take directly the US Constitution and burn them! Keyword:
1. Supplement to the Constitution of the United States!
It is already adventurous how these gentlemen try to circumvent precisely this point with the most insidious justifications, in which the Islam is abysmal itself evil and when questioned that Islam is really a religion.
But it becomes really strange, if there are gentlemen, who want to have the first additional article revised because it does not take account of today's realities. Mmmh ... funny! Many of these gentlemen are "Pro Gunners" and justify this with the 2. Supplement to the Constitution of the United States. Is this part of constitution then perhaps also not so up to date and one could perhaps also touch it to todays realities?

No, even the most liberal of the so bad and idiotic liberals and left does not deny the desire for security and the US has the right to protect itself against terrorism. None of them denies that no foreign terrorist can enter the United States to make terror attacks in the country, or to send suspicious persons to their countries of origin. It is only and exclusively about the choice of the means and how to protect itself against it .... Trump apparently has a modified form of such an old saying of the US Army in the sense "Kill them all, God will sort them out"!

And the same applies in principle to the complete immigration as such. Every country has the right to prevent illegal immigration, but here, too, it depends on the choice of means and realities ... and in the case of the idiotic wall against Mexico, all the facts speak for Trump's nonsense as a reason! "
1. There is already a wall / fence already in considerable parts
2. The border is monitored with modern equipment and the border protection is successful
3. A complete wall from the Pacific coast to the Gulf of Mexico is invaluable under construction and maintenance
4. No wall in history has given the protection it promised ... not a single wall!
5. Since 2008, more and more illegal immigrants return voluntarily as the new illegal immigrants enter the United States
6. Most illegals have NOT come illegally across the Mexican border, but legally with temporary residency and then submerged. Here, the wall does not bring anything ... even someone is such a troll and tries to claim that the term "wall" includes to prevent such things too!

 

No such thing as an 'illicit immigrant'. When one is afraid to call a criminal illegal alien a criminal illegal alien, you have to wonder why. Well, actually, one doesn't have to wonder, they're just being dishonest and trying to peddle a fantasy narrative of some sort. Islam is indeed not a religion, it's a violent political ideology; just because they're psychotic doesn't mean anybody else has to pretend it's a 'religion', any more than one has to pretend Hitler's 'Reich Church' gimmick was a 'real religion' just because the SS said it was..

 

So why this dividing between illegal immigrant and criminal illegal immigrant then?
So Islam on which 2 billion people are believing since centuries in is no religion. Is Christianity a religion? Is Hinduism a religion? Is Buddhism a religion?

You can ask the same question to any religion and I as atheist say that ANY RELIGION is only an ideology and not more. But I respect them and I do not blame over 2,000,000,000 people on this planet to be potential religious terrorists or supporting terror in name of this religion. I do not take parts of their religion book out of context and with questionable translation and back my hate crusade against these 2,000,000,000 people!

 

Using this logic, we might as well boot felons out of the country as well. Or sexual predators. As revolting as sexual predators by nature are, I would still refuse to deport them. Yet, these are human beings, not parasites. Reason why felons deserve the right to vote

But more on point, we are simply burning taxpayer dollars on ICE agents. A responsible immigration order does not include deportation. A responsible immigration order simplifies becoming a US citizen, and reduces more than half the time or wait it takes to become a citizen. Hiring ICE agents is simply a waste of resources, sorry but it just is. Just like a concrete wall won't solve the issue long term either.

 

In the past, it was the Irish who were only hated in the United States as Catholics. This was followed by the Chinese, who were introduced into the country as cheap laborers. Today, it is all immigrants from the South and all Muslims are just evil people who believe in a vicious ideology, because Islam is considered religion is even denied.

In fact, who is next to turn and be served with hatred and suspicions of the Americans?

 

I have a friend from Indonesia who already is showing a certain amount of disdain for Americans, as well as his friends sharing the same perspective of America. It's sad really how America is stooped so low to a level.

 

This is a general problem ...
America claims to stand for freedom and democracy in the world. The problem is, however, that is exactly the fight against it if it is against US interests.
The American way of life is only a measure when the reigning bloody regime was suppressing its depopulation and mega corrupt and else bad too is not a friend of the US! if this regime is US friendly, then no democracy and freedom has any chance, because the US will help the regime to show opposition that it is bad idea to want democracy with free election, free media, freedom of speech etc.

And now ... due to a little small minority under these 2,000,000,000 Muslims on this planet which abuse the religion Islam to back their sick ideology, all 2,000,000,00 Muslims are blamed to be a potential enemy! If the ISIS celebrates this idiotic entry ban as a victory, then it all says about the effect!
But even then one reacts only defiantly. I have more and more the feeling that Trump in the USA has a wild card from his followers and so can make the largest BS without consequences and even announce it, it is not considered negative. No, even if it becomes obvious, you close your eyes and stand up stubbornly or try to defend it with the greatest nonsense.
The stupid is just that the US is not "Unimportant States of America" in the world and so has all what Trump does an influence on the whole planet. Otherwise, I would just shrug my shoulders ... just as Americans shrug their shoulders over European things.
That, e.g. Turkey is on its way to abolish democracy completely, most Americans are interested less than the "news" why Britney Spears has a new belly button piercing!

 

What's Un-American about enforcing the law?

 

Enforcing the law does not have to include deportation, or wasting resources on ICE agents.

 

Agreed far more civility then Mexico will graciously shower you with if caught without a passport or some sort of ID. I really enjoy Ramos and Gutierrez preach national neighborly love nonsense on the tube when there has never been such a thing when caught in Mexico on the wrong side of their law! Could you imagine a drunk American teenager smashing his car in to a Mexican citizen, it would cost his parents a fortune to get him out of prison.

How about a couple dozen American activist holding up signs insulting President Enrique Peña Nieto, they would be lucky if they were ever found again and if they were it would be small pieces of bone and teeth in a hog pen somewhere way south!

 

Good idea -- let's boot felons out of the country! Sexual predators, too! Especially if they are here illegally --- we have no responsibility toward them. They are parasites.

There is a fundamental reason why illegals are not welcome that goes beyond jobs. They do not make this country strong. They are not enlightened by the understanding of what makes a democracy, or else they would have applied for citizenship in a respectful way. They sneaked in to get a free ride and to take advantage.

If the country they are running from sucks so badly that they will send their young children across the border with no adult protection, why don't they revolt? Why don't they throw their bottles of frozen urine at their own police? Why don't they march on their own president? Because if a person doesn't value human rights enough to fight for them in their own country, they certainly do not belong in THIS country.

Every single one of those who march in our streets, who wave their flag in our country is a hypocrite and a coward.

 

It does if we are going to remain a strong nation.

 

An absolutely spectacular post.

 

So...what do you want to do? Are you willing to sponsor an illegal immigrant to stay in your home and you can pay for all of his/her expenses? As far as I'm concerned, unless someone is willing to take responsibility for them, don't expect everyone else to.

 

I would personally like to see a ten year halt on all immigration. Here's my reasons:
Terrorism. Most of these folks from these third world countries can't be vetted.
Money. Americans need our taxes to go down, not up.
Space. Our cities are already spreading out until one meets the next. Unless we want our rural areas to completely disappear and our parks become non-existent, we need to not bring in anymore people.

 

Wow! Something we agree on. I have friends who are from South Africa (Afrikaners) who are now American citizens the process took years to complete and cost them a great deal of money but as they say it was all worth it. Many illegals spend thousands to be smuggled in, money that would be better spent doing things the right way. Since that opportunity is available to anyone willing to jump through the appropriate hoops there really is no excuse for being illegal and absolutely no reason to grant them citizenship.

 

I agree but will go one step further because it needs to be said. We need a permanent ban on muslims entering the US. Not all muslims are terrorists but so far all the terrorists have been muslim. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim because those who may have not committed terrorist acts will also not condemn them.That may be in fear of reprisals for some but the majority, even those born here have nothing but contempt for non muslims and do not assimilate. The attacks so far on our soil are only a preview of something far worse if we don't try to stop it now. America must not allow a hostile subculture to grow within our borders because it would breed a large entrenched guerrilla network that we would never be able to rid ourselves of. These views are not racist nor bigoted nor xenophobic just commonsense and the plain truth.

 

America is a country of immigrants. Deportation and ICE agents only divert us from the real issue, which is making the citizenship process much easier and simpler.

 

And this is where sanctuary cities come into play, and why we need them. Instead of exploiting deaths to further their agenda, maybe republicans can actually see why sanctuary cities help in simplifying the process of naturalization.