Important question to arabs / muslims here in the forum.

Please answer -
WILL YOU ACCEPT FULL PEACE AND CONFLICT ENDING WITH ISRAEL IF ABU MAZEN WILL REACH
AN AGREEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING WITH THEM ??

 

Abu Mazen does not represent all people of the region and all Arabs or even all Palestinians so enough with all these posts about Abu Mazen!
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Will you accept an agreement that all Israeli settlements in the west bank are removed and the border set to the pre 1967 border? YES OR NO

 

Your question is nonsense, Read my question again - "IF ABU MAZEN WILL REACH AN AGREEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING"
I asume Abu Mazen will insist that all Israeli "settlements" in the west bank are removed.
Yet, you also cannot answer my question.

Next please.

 

Actually I effectively did. If all settlements are removed in the west bank and the borders are set to the pre 67 borders and the Palestinians have full control of the west bank then I would accept it. So will you accept that?

 

First, your answer is some how refreshing. Other Palestinians here will surely be against it.
Note, they have no courage to write an answer because they want ALL of Israel !!
I can understand from your answer that you also might agree of some land swap agreement ??

 

Israel has made it clear, they want no preconditions to peace talks except their precondition that illegal Jewish settlements aren't part of any talks.
Israel is breaking international law and giving the finger to UN resolutions.
Sanctions on Israel now until they withdraw from illegally occupied lands. As soon as they've sodded off, peace can be a reality.

 

Yes, Bla Bla Bla.
My question was - IF ABU MAZEN will reach AN AGREEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING ....

Wrong answer again..

Next please.

 

I've reprinted your sig here for discussion.

Did the Koran only come into existence after Israel was granted statehood in 1948? Because it surely saw America as a nation to be 'conquered' long before Israeli independence.

The lie you are trying to promulgate is that our support of Israel is the reason for all the terrorism, Jihadist activities and efforts to infiltrate our government.

And that is just not true.

 

stop... Stop once and forever... There was no <border of 1967> this was an

armistice line...

 

Israel has no preconditions... Abu Mazen has preconditions though! He still thinks he can play another fast one on the world!!!
He thinks he is smarter than all the <Diplomats and the Diplomatic corp>... He is not aware that he is getting older by the day... The time is in favor of Israel.... Abbas/Abu Mazen or whatever does not have the courage, the foresight to foretell the next five or ten years, this place will be all built up and he will be stepping through and fro in his cubicle insisting that he is the one who is holding the music baton... Yes... he will be holding one if he croaks.

 

Go for it.
List Arab attacks on Americans before the U.S. Started to support Israel.

 

This open wound and conflict is between the Israelis and Palestinians. Abu mazen was elected to represent them.
If we go your twisted way, WHO can negotiate with Israel which results will be accepted by you ??

 

Rubbish.

No, a lie.

"We are in a pointless discussion about the marginal issue of building in the settlements.... To reach peace, we need to discuss the issues that are really hindering peace, the question of recognition, security, refugess and of course many other issues."

&#8212;Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister

A major issue but he tried to say it's nothing. Lies

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/benjamin-netanyahu-settlement-freeze_n_982921.html

Sounds a lot like he refuses to talk about the illegal settlements. A refusal to talk about something is a precondition.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...iders-withdrawing-envoy-over-settlements-live

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_negotiations_between_Israel_and_the_Palestinians_(2010-2011)

Palestine want to stop the illegal settlements but Israel refuses to talk about them.
Yep, no preconditions but they refuse to talk about something.

 

Please answer -
WILL YOU ACCEPT FULL PEACE AND CONFLICT ENDING WITH ISRAEL IF ABU MAZEN WILL REACH
AN AGREEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING WITH THEM ??

 

You think the absence of violent episodes against the U.S. by Muslims means the Koran was only first created in 1948?

Because, if the Koran said to make Islam the dominant religion on Earth in 2013, it said the same thing in 1948.

What changed was the book by that little Egyptian guy who got turned on when he saw American youngsters slow dancing at a school dance.

I forget his name.

 

It's an all too typical fallacy quite wide-spread among poorly educated people with weak logical skills:

Correlation does not imply causation (cum hoc propter hoc, Latin for "with this, because of this") is a phrase used in science and statistics to emphasize that a correlation between two variables does not necessarily imply that one causes the other

Anyway, prior to Israel's creation the Arabs attacked the Brits, the French, the Jews, the Turks, each other....and all those attacks had nothing to do with non-existent Israel. Moreover Muslims have become more radicalized in the last century or so than they ever had been throughout the history, once again Israel was not a factor (or one of a thousand factors if you will)

PS and even if you were correct and the Arabs attacked the US exclusively because of Israel - it still does not make Israel and the US wrong and the Arabs right. You don't suggest the US should give in to your Islamic terror, do you? That they murder civilians instead of solving problems in a civilized manner just shows these Arab terrorists for what they are - medieval savages and Islamic fundamentalists.

 

So if the borders were redefined and deviated from 1967 armistice lines you would not accept peace with Israel even if Abu Mazen and the Palestinians did?

 

Translation - There weren't any so I'll have to make up some BS in an attempt to look bright.

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Ditto my above.

 

Fascinating, but arabs also fought with the British and the Jews, and the French, and the Turks.

And we did a fair bit of attacking ourselves. But Borat you know all this so did you have some other point in mind?

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Borat, MGB etc what is your problem?

You expect everyone here to believe your assertions that all you want is peace not land, but on the other hand youre adamant that everyone here wants all of Israel?

And why arent you spending your time arguing against evil like HBendor rather than us?

 

Excuse me pointing at you trying to make a point out of nothing...........
Anyway, why dont you answer my question to MG

 

It's not a matter of beliefs.

Israel accepted the Partition, Israel made peace with Egypt and Jordan, Israel accepted UN 242 Land for Peace resolution, Israel had a specific detailed peace offer for Arafat, Israel withdrew from Gaza and destroyed settlements, Israel withdrew from Lebanon, Israel withdrew from the Sinai and destroyed all settlements there, alltogether Israel has given up like 98% of the land it conquered in defensive wars, Israel is willing to sit down with the Palestinians without any preconditions at any time and in any place....

What have the Palestinians ever done so far to reach peace with Israel? What has the rest of the arab world (besides a bogus offer of vague "peace" in exchange for Israel becoming an arab-majority state within indefensible borders)?

 

Predictably no answer to what seems to be a very simple question - would you accept peace with Israel if the Palestinians did (regardless of the details of the peace deal)? That's quite telling that you won't (or will have your own peace conditions).

 

Its not? Then why berate so many people here over them, except HBendor of course.

Lets be clear, the Arabs did not accept partition, neither would anyone else, Israels acceptance of partition was not a peaceful act, but the acceptance and agreement with an aggressive act of immigration, settlement and state building amongst another population. Thus the arabs in rejecting partition were being perfectly reasonable and peaceful.

Israel made peace with Egypt after its first ever military setback, and the realisation that its expansion had come to an end - it was not an inherently peaceful act. Moreover Israel currently sits on far more than the paritition land it agreed to and Israel will not either give up east jerusalem or stop all settlement activity, even though doing so is cost free.

|What have the Palestinians done for peace?

Firstly they rejected partition and mass immigration.

Secondly they fought for the British even while they were being betrayed.

Thirdly they waited decades getting on with their lives hoping israeli occupation and settlement would stop before the first intifada.

The rest of the arab world has guaranteed full cooperation with Israel and already cooperates.

The palestinians conceded 78% of all its claims to Palestine to make peace. A historical and extremely generous act.

Ever since, even despite Israeli settlement, the Palestinians have been steadily cooperating with Israel in the West Bank.

 

LOL, nice rant, too bad it's totally irrelevant. Israel's demonstrated its willingness to make peace in dozens of situations and given up 98% of the land it conquered in defensive wars in exchange for peace (see my previous post) regardless of your excuses and "explanations". The Arab world and specifically the Palestinians have done absolutely nothing, zilch, nada for peace with Israel regardless of your excuses, explanations and deflections.

I gave you facts in my previous post, you can't deny a single one of them. You responded with cheap rhetoric and bogus excuses. The nonsense that Israel's undeniable peaceful actions make it a warmonger while the total absence of such pro-peace activity in the Arab/Palestinian camp coupled with the election/popularity of Hamas and Co and decades of wars and terror somehow turns them into nice friendly peace-loving neighbors is patently absurd and certainly not fooling anyone.