In 100 years when religion is dead in West, will there be political conservatives?

What do you think? I don't suspect so. I suspect it will be some form of fiscal conservative progressive party.

 

Well I think your premise is incorrect. Christianity might be dead, but I don't think religion will be. It seems to be hardwired in the human brain. There will be some sort of religion. But I don't think there is a link between fiscal conservatism and religion.

 

No but certainly you nor anybody could deduce that in 100 years at current trends that religion will be of any political influence or clout in the Western world. It's already very weak in Europe and the US white population is going that same route very quickly.


Once US conservatism loses religion as a pillar of it it will become a different ideological party.

 

Christianity may be on it's last legs but that doesn't mean religion is.

 

Then what?, and if you say Islam I'm gonna give you such a hit....

 

Cut the mincing of words. You know exactly what I mean.

We're speaking of the US. In 100 years at the current rate Anglo Christians at least will be less than 30% of voters. That's going to radically change politics in this country for the conservative party. As I said before it will likely become a pure business party without the social conservative aspect which is largely tied to Christianity.

 

Hispanics are quite religious and there really is no reason to believe they were born liberal.

So you seem to be implying that thet GOP couldn't accept Hispanics in 100 years!

That's some serious bigotry!

 

In the US, I don't see Islam as much of an influence in the United States over the next hundred years except in the tail wagging the dog way. Obviously in Europe, it's a different story. But I think anything that substitutes for religion's hold on people is a religion. In the 20th Century, Communism filled that void. It might be transhumanism or some new cult that takes off. But there will be something. Humans won't suddenly turn into Vulcans and live lives of pure logic.

 

You're talking about a trend that's been going on for a while. The Religious Right influence in the Republican Party has been waning for years. It probably has been declining since the GWB Presidency. The Tea Party wasn't a religious movement, it was a fiscal conservative movement, and after it was defeated a Populist/Nationalist movement has replaced it. None of those were religious.

And in a bit of irony, the Democrats have evolved into the business party!

 

People have been trying to kill Christianity and saying Christianity is dead for 2,000 years. Its not going to go away. Neither is religion in general.

"progressives", on the other hand, come and go in a cycle. They come onto stage as outsiders, build power, and then take control, but after 50-100 years of murdering and starving their own people they get tossed out, people rediscover freedom to some extent, they abuse their freedom, and the progs show up again to prey on the discontent.

 

One can never truly fathom the political ignorance of the internet until you experience a post like that, then you know, wow, yeah, definitely the internet.


Hispanics don't influence true political/sociocultural power in the US like that fact or not. The archaic masses of Catholic Hispanics in the US are and will always be just another tolerated group who is melded into political voting blocs by either party and that will continue into the future. Yes they will remain religious and backwards that's true but they won't religiously influence the US political system which will by then be so secular (We will have had atheist presidents by then) that no amount of ancient Hispanic backwards Catholicism will be able to change that. It will simply be regulated politically as it already is by white progressives in the DNC.


But that's not even the topic. The topic is that the GOP is going to become much more secular itself because it is the 'White Party' and ironically its up and coming white voting bloc are more secular and progressive and hostile to social conservatism writ large via religion than the GOP would like to admit. Nothing can stop the secularization of the American right the same as nothing could stop the European right from its secularization which has already long since taken place.

 

Never going to happen.

 

The Democratic party more closely follows the teachings of Jesus in a number of ways, including taking care of each other, forgiveness, tollerance, etc. These are bedrock principles, not the shake ground of demanding adherence to social issue judgements and certainly not the exclusionism based on race, gender and even religion.

Demographics are changing. It will become impossible to maintain the policies of the current GOP - the dedication to the 1%, the voter suppression, the assault on health care, the corporatism, the denial of equality advocated in opposition to those of the wrong race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

Expecting that to continue makes no sense. I don't expect the GOP to disolve, but there will be change. After the last two elections the GOP identified significant changes that analysis showed was needed. But, then R's voted for Trump and the GOP majority congress has absolutely nothing to offer.

There will be change, as this GOP direction is not sustainable.

 

You are confusing direction on a few politicized hot button issues as being the difference between religious direction and secularism.

Democratic principles are consistent with religious principles in numerous areas.

And, the opinion of different religious populations on the few politicized "religious" issues is not as uniform or as absolute as the GOP would hope.

 

Religion is fake. It's irrelevant whether any political parties policies are or are not based on religion. You fail to understand the concept of the thread.


All political parties of the Western and Eastern world are becoming more secular whether they like that or not. The logic of the thread is that the GOP is no exception. The Democratic party is already extremely secular and much of its ideology is based on secularism (which is a good thing). To deny that is nonsensical and naive.

 

In other words, people will just transfer their faith from an all-knowing, all-encompassing sky-being into the all-knowing, all-encompassing state.

 

No they just won't believe in a fake sky being is all. Why would you assume lack of belief in a scam means adoption of another? I'm not religious yet I certainly don't have much faith in the state as you claim.


That's the illogical argument of "Without religion they'll all be robbing banks". No. We know that's not true because we aren't currently all robbing banks and we're still irreligious.

 

The problem with the question is that conservatism is a spectrum. So, the answer to the OP question is obvious and uninteresting unless one goes on from there.

So, i note that fiscal conservatism today is not represented by the GOP. GOP economic policy is epitomized by Kansas and Trump. It is focused on feeding the wealthy in hopes that they will save the rest - proven to be a sick joke, not conservatism. Frankly, the Dems have as much claim to conservatism, although one might argue that they try to accomplish too much. They care about infrastructure, education (which is infrastructure), health (which means people can work), etc. These are fundamentals any conservative should care about. We moved to high school education BECAUSE of the needs of industry due to the move from agriculture to manufacturing. Now, we are moving to compete with the world in high tech.

None of that last paragraph was specific to religion, do religious decline will make no difference.

And as I pointed out, social conservatism will always be present, and today's focus on the few hot button issues is not a good representation of religious interests, as they say nothing at all about the central themes of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or other religions.

So, I tend to see the religious as being used by political interests today, as they are asked to interpret their beliefs in terms of abortion and marriage, and not on what Jesus preached.

Now, you may see why I think the OP question really ends up being no more than a question of how long the few hot button items will retain so much political focus. And, that should happen now, as religion points to far more important issues - issues where we can all make progress together.

 

In 1000 years there will be NO political parties.

 

Yet, the (far, but increasingly middle) left are now firmly wedded to demanding adherence to social issue judgements.

 

Perhaps you are referring to insistence on our 14th amendment rights of equal treatment.