In Several Decades, "Europe Will Become a Single Islamic State"

So there are 25 Muslim extremists in England. England has neo-Nazis too as well as Zoinist fanatics. There will always be extremists and they add variety to life, but their being is usually nothing to make much noise about.

 

And 8%, or 8.2%, or even 10%, is enough of a percentage of the population to make Europe a 'Single Islamic State', is it?!

It's still a very long way short of the percentages of either African Americans or Hispanics/Latinos in the USA - hardly a complete take-over of 'white man's country'!

The figures are, of course, only projected estimates, and the estimates vary, but even using these high figures, it hardly gives Muslims a majority to turn the place into an 'Islamic State' of some sort, even if every single one of them wanted that (which most of them probably don't, since they are perfectly well settled into the culture and systems we already have).

The story is simply nonsense. It is completely untrue, and quite easily provably so beyond all reasonable doubt - there are no figures that could possible bear any relation whatsoever to reality which suggest that it could possibly come to pass. Neither the UK nor Europe will be 'Islamic States' of any sort in the next few decades, nor in any of our lifetimes, nor for some considerable time after that, if ever (never say never, of course - after all, they became eventually 'Christian'!). It's a nonsense, paranoid, scare story, and nothing more - the threat is not real. It does not exist. It can not and will not happen. There is no chance of it whatsoever. Any assertion that the UK or EU will be 'Islamic' within the next few decades is entirely false.

 

Egypt was the capital of a caliphate and part of the Ottoman empire.

"Muslim rulers nominated by the Islamic Caliphate remained in control of Egypt for the next six centuries, with Cairo as the seat of the Caliphate under the Fatimids"

"They continued to govern the country until the conquest of Egypt by the Ottoman Turks in 1517, after which it became a province of the Ottoman Empire. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt#Arab_and_Ottoman_Egypt

 

Oh yes! We have tiny fringe lunatic minorities of all colours, kinds and creeds (all of them, of course, allowed to express their lunatic ideas)! None of them are ever likely to gain control of the country, though, and all of them are largely ignored by the general public, including the overwhelming majority those who happen to share the same stated religion, faith, belief, colour, etc. as the lunatics, and who believe them to be lunatics just the same as everyone else does!

 

What about them?


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Citation needed.


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WTF are you talking about? Sir? How about disputing the video, the French Government, the French citizens, and not some blog?

 

Given their birth rate, immigration, and declining European birthrates and aging, they are well on their way.

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Yup, and all of Europe was 'Pagan' of some sort many times longer than they have ever been 'Christian' or 'Islamic' put together! In fact, only one religion could really ever be said to have come in and aggressively 'taken over' the continent of Europe, gaining control of the states and suppressing the pre-existing 'native' 'cultures' and 'beliefs' in the process, and that's Christianity. Islam is many, many centuries away from achieving anything similar, if it ever manages to do it (or if it even tries!).

 

That is a completely and utterly false assertion, as proved by even your own figures. There is no truth to it whatsoever.

 

Well, I was going to do that and that's why I did a little investigation and found his blog which talks a lot about Israel, Jerusalem, Hitler and why one must hate Muslims while Israel expands its illegal settlements.

Thus, his position fits perfectly into the most typical elements islamophobia and can be fairly dismissed as being rather irrelevant for being unserious. He's like Daniel Pipes and all the other many followers of Israel who desperately want for Americans to unconditionally hate the Muslims since such seems to be linked with loyalty to Israel.

 

When I see posts like these by supposedly moderates from both Europe and the States, all I want to say is "Bend over and grab the ankles, people" - the war with Islam is already lost..

 

Very predictable... if you cannot fight the message, let's attack the messenger?

The videos speaks for themselves... very, very scary staff

 

That's not from a lack of effort by the Muslims. Islam didn't spread by sharing books. Unless of course the books had bloody swords coming out of them.

Nonetheless, Pagans dominated Europe with the sword. Romans simply went from Pagans to Christians. Your statement is simply a bash on Christianity in favor of ignoring the facts.

 

Ah, anyone can whip up a good piece of video propaganda that can convince the gullible. Hitler did it, so anyone can. What I find fascinating is how so much Muslm-hatred propaganda generally comes from Israel or from people who speak in its favor, like with this instance as well. If I were Israel, then I'd favor friendship with my Muslim neighbors, but maybe Uncle Sam doesn't donate free American tax dollars for good foreign relations. Peace does not pay and thus one must stir up hatred, I guess.

 

You made a good point, although perhaps not the one you intended to make. African American population is only 13% of the US population, however they have an outsized influence on one of the major political parties because they are almost all Democrats. This gives them kind of a veto on Democratic policy positions. But the difference in policy is tiny compared to a Muslim population in the UK. Imagine a British electorate with 13% united Muslim voters united behind one party or as a Muslim party. Combined that with European PC and they could make quite a difference in driving policies.

Or, they could just wind up having a civil war if the differences were just not reconcilable.

 

I seriously doubt that. Given the radicalism of the fundamental Muslims, and the spinelessness of the liberal Europeans, I would not find it hard to believe Shariah will gain a fair foothold in European laws.

Given the Arab Spring, the unrestrained Muslim Brotherhood, and Arab Nationalism, I would not find it unlikely for a new Islamic State to emerge with a new Caliphate and give fundamental Islam a place to flourish though.

 

Here we go again. In Portugal, Lisbon was recovered circa 1150 which pretty much ended the Islamic presence there. 1150-711 = 439 years. 2010 - 1150 = 860. So who's arithmetically challenged? In Spain, the Caliphate became a junior landholder following the Christian reconquest of Toledo circa 1250 A.D, and roughly reduced to the province of Andelucia. Also very intersting to note that the Iberic countries maintained a steady presence in North Africa since the takeover of Ceuta by Portugal circa 1410. Should they extend their claims to all of North Africa?

 

The West-facing butts in the air don't lie. Just saying.....

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You beat me to the punch.

 

Are you saying that given increasing Muslim population and decreasing/aging European population (add in continued immigration and youthful vigor/ increasing control of urban areas), that Muslims will never dominate Europe?

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I think that's a pretty good description of first generation Muslim immigrants to Europe. They were probably mostly secular and wanted to integrate in the Western democracies. Their children, for whatever reason, seem to be more alienated than that.

Socialization seems to be working in reverse though!

 

That sounds good enough. Islam can flourish in the middle east, while liberalism flourishes in Europe. One could always make it clear that Sharia is a muslim thing for nations with such a system and not a component of liberalism.

 

Oh, your natural dislike of Israel is causing you to ignore Muslim actions in Europe.

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Exactly, I don't know, if he understands the political impact of a youthful, dedicated, unified, fertile, urban Muslim electorate.