'Indiscriminate' Killing in Gaza Was Top-Down War Plan, say Israeli Veterans

Israel uses Palestinian children to protect their brave soldiers:

 

Wait, Israel is lobbing rockets from school yards, hospitals, and public beaches, in order for the enemy to retaliate to those locations?

Oh wait no, that's the Palestinian terrorists.

I was confused by your incorrect wording.

 

So are you denying that the IOF uses Palestinian's as human shields?

 

I'm saying that the Palestinian terrorists fire FIRST, from civilian locations, so that Israelis retaliate on civilians. It's a common cowardly terrorist tactic. Palestinian terrorists use this tactic because they do not value human life. They value Allah.

 

You have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever on the Israel-Palestine conflict; that much is evident from your posts which reek of mass-media cliches, half-truths and carefully crafted US-establishment propaganda. THINK!

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Yes; of course that conflicts with the documented fact that Israel has violated cease-fires on several occasions; even admitted to, on video, by the official Israeli government spokesman, Mark Regev! Oh boy...

 

LOL are you denying Palestinians launched rockets from hospitals and schools? Satellite imagery, geospatial PICTURES, and videos say otherwise.

What a hilarious allegation. A typical Iranian way of thinking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ocket-attacks-Israel-admits-says-mistake.html

Your countrymen say differently than you

 

The whole of Gaza city is a "civilian location". But of course it's simply a matter of guilt by association, isn't it. Hamas are drawn from the civilian population, the civilian population supports Hamas so, by extension, they are also valid targets. Of course I can expand on this in reverse if you want; you won't like what you hear though.

 

Whole of Gaza is "civilian locations." It's tiny. Cowardly? Perhaps Israel can give the same weapons to Hamas to make it a fairer fight.

 

So why do you keep DODGING the point? They are firing from HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS.

Not a field. Not an armory. They are FIRING FROM HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS.

And you're applauding them.

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Gaza has 18 armories. Why are they not launching missiles from the armories?

You prefer them to keep launching missiles from hospitals and schools?

Bin Laden would applaud you!

 

So did the French Resistance in Paris, the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto and, by the way, your revolutionary soldiers who were quite happy to use captured Dragoons as human shields...examples to follow, if you wish.

Here's a little something on human shields. You really do need to use something other than Fox for your education. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...onism-uses-jews-everywhere-human-shields.html

 

so let me ask.. How many Jews did Abbas say can live in his vision of the West Bank...?

why wont Egypt take Gaza?...because they hate the Gazan Hamas lovers..

Muslims hate and Kill Mulsims.. but you want the Jews to just commit suicide by these monsters blood lust... these are inbred killing machines that live to kill.. look at the Al Jazeera poll saying 85% of ALL Muslims support ISIS.. sadly the Muslims are plague on modern humanity

 

On second thoughts, I'm feeling in a generous mood, so I'll bite. If you want to leave a donation for my educational services, I'll welcome it.

You have failed to offer any rebuttal of the experts I cited. So I can only assume it is the credentials of the messengers' and thus their credibility that you are questioning:

"Lloyd is a former United Nations weapons inspector who in two decades at Raytheon, a top military contractor, wrote two books on warhead design. He has written a critique of the Israeli Iron Dome anti-missile system for engineers and weapons designers. In March 2013, the New York Times noted that Lloyd "has the credentials for a critique"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/w...-dome-system-is-at-center-of-debate.html?_r=1

Postol is a professor and national security expert in MIT's Program in Science, Technology and Society. In 1995 he received the Hilliard Roderick Prize from the American Association for the Advancement of Science and in 2001 he received the Norbert Wiener Award from Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility 'for uncovering numerous and important false claims about missile defenses'. Postol has a proven track record in, for example, debunking Pentagon claims on the success of its Patriot missile system:

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/...n-iron-dome-israel-trident-and-the-media.html

In September 2013, the New York Times described Lloyd and Postol as "leading weapons experts.":

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/w...carried-large-payload-of-gas-experts-say.html

Perhaps you think that Tel Aviv University professor and noted military analyst Reuven Pedatzur also has no credibility. The Jerusalem Post quotes the professor:

"The Iron Dome is all a scam. The flight-time of a Kassam rocket to Sderot is 14 seconds, while the time the Iron Dome needs to identify a target and fire is something like 15 seconds. This means it can't defend against anything fired from fewer than five kilometers; but it probably couldn't defend against anything fired from 15 km., either." (http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=175042)

Pedatzur adds: "Considering the fact that each Iron Dome missile costs about $100,000 and each Kassam $5, all the Palestinians would need to do is build and launch a ton of rockets and hit our pocketbook."

 

The Iron dome debris are also visable, search Google yourself to see it, yes ppl are in danger of debris, that;s why we remain in shelters a few min after interception, go ahead and add that to your fail report on Iron Dome...


What you think is possible with Iron Dome is not really important, fact is from thousands of rocket fire only few caused dircet damage, some was made by debris but minimal really, that's enough for us, you of course operate in much higher standarts so you can be critical about all this, we commeners are fine thou.

 

I exist, I win wars and I'm happy with it, that's my case.

 

You win wars? Like your failed invasion of Lebanon when Hezbollah threw you out on your loser arses? Like the Palestinians with whom you have been fighting for half a century but, somehow, cannot manage to shut up despite your awesome military might? If you're happy with failure, be my guest and carry on failing.

 

Didnt say they laid waste and devestation, I said the chance of a child being hit by mortar is enough for familes to immigrate from a certain place and as a state its a situation we can not and will not tolerate.

 

Yes exactly so , Arabs NEVER lost a war, they just incidently stop, run and crying their asses off at the UN and whoever can hear them, all the way to thier glorious victory

Like I said Im happy with these wars you guys "win", Im not the one b!tching here "Israel did this and Israel did that" "Bad bad Israel", lol.

 

On what data did Loyd and Postol work on ? their own opinion? postol watched Iphone pictures I read, sounds like real scientific work to me,

If I find non Israely experts that praise the system - wont they neutrelize your two experts ?


If you read my posts you'll notice I wrote there is no def against mortars and Kassams in short range - for now. our def in such cases is return fire, Im sure you remember, you b!tched about it 2 posts ago.

 

Yes, I'm the one doing the complaining and I'll continue my condemnation of your government until they begin acting like civilized human beings and not barbarous, venal savages. You're the one defending their criminal activity. I know who is in the right here; but your hatred of anything Arab-related deafens and blinds you to reality and informs your denialist attitude.

 

The basis upon which alleged international war crimes are enforced and war criminals brought before the judges at the Hague is largely discriminatory that's true. This is why we never see people like Blair, Bibi and Bush before the judges but only the leaders' of their official enemies. Blair has the distinction, which is a source of national pride in some quarters, of being one of the two greatest living mass murderers. Within the UK, there is no means of prosecuting Blair due to the fact that in 2006 the law lords decided that the international crime of aggression has not been incorporated into domestic law:

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/marku...html&query=Jones+and+et+and+al&method=boolean

But elsewhere in the world it has been. In 2006 the professor of international law Philippe Sands warned that “Margaret Thatcher avoids certain countries as a result of the sinking of the Belgrano, and Blair would be advised to do likewise.”

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2006/feb/14/highereducationprofile.highereducation

It appears to be unclear as to where precisely in the world the crime of aggression can be prosecuted. There are some EU states that have incorporated it into domestic law but in most of them the law remains to be tested. A study of the constitutions of western European nations in 1988 found that if there’s a conflict most of them would place customary international law above domestic law, suggesting that prosecutions of "favourable" war criminals is possible.

People like Livni, Bibi and Blair have to consider very carefully where they travel, particularly outside the EU. Many states' within the former Soviet Union, for example, have incorporated the crime of aggression. One of the reasons Blair declined the EU presidency role was that he would have had minimal control over his appointments, and everyone would know when he was coming.

Any radical shift in the global relations of power (which is not an unrealistic possibility) would potentially put our war criminals at greater risk.

 

I've already posted an Israeli expert above who also agrees that it's junk.But by all means give it a go. At least you'll be offering some kind of credible rebuttal instead of ad hominems.

 

Cool, I bet they'll have just as much effect as your previous effort...
In any case there is still no international laws, only treaties and conventions.

 

Maybe some people have problem with reading so I decided to post images of failure for them. Nice and simple explanation. I've made it easier for you. No need to thank me.


Iron Dome: Images of failure

Theodore A. Postol

http://thebulletin.org/multimedia/iron-dome-images-failure

 

But my point is, that's not how the media portray it.

 

Playboy has 10. You wanna call them a good historical reference too just because Norman Mailer, Kurt Vonnegut, Jack Kerouac, Ray Bradbury, Haruki Murakami, Margaret Atwood, Gabriel García Márquez, and others thought it would be really cool to write for Playboy and because Hugh Hefner recruited them? Heck, Gabriel García Márquez even won a Nobel. You wanna say Playboy is a great reference because they had a literary genius who won a Nobel? Come on now......

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Anti- Semitic propaganda to make the IDF look bad. I don't thank anti-Semites, BTW. Maybe you should go post that stuff on StormFront? Not sure why I didn't throw you in the ignore file sooner; but off you go now to the bozo bin. Bye bye.