Intelligent Design Argument Fails Again

There are asexually reproducing species today. You can't be this ignorant.

 

Apparently no biology classes were ever taken before expressing this opinion.

Basic lifeforms don't eat but instead absorb any nutrients they require and propagate by asexual reproduction.

Of course evolution from these early lifeforms did occur and we see it in the fossil record. Darwin proposed "natural selection" as the process for the evolution and that theory remains the most accepted theory of evolution. Creationists/Intelligent Design proponents don't offer any process for the evolution of the species that we know has occurred based upon physical evidence.

The "creationist/natural design" article linked in the OP doesn't even debate the natural evolution of the species but only erroneously makes false statements in support of an unsupportable belief that has never had any scientific foundation that is based upon a mythical religious supernatural entity for which no evidence has ever existed.

 

But no life. And it requires the perfect alignment of serendipity to accomplish and it happened by chance???
OMG. Or OMCampbells.
And a clone is not creation either.
And the magic soup is one of about a dozen scientific theories as to how life began. There is no consensus.
Here's a partial list.
Top 10 Theories on Beginning of Life on Earth
http://www.smashinglists.com/top-10-theories-on-beginning-of-life-on-earth/
So that's like one religion - the Church of Campbell.

 

Your missing my point! Obviously evolution takes place in a small form, but when it comes to animals, are you saying that these organisms or cells turned into an animal, and just so happen to create a male and female at the same time, for every known animal? Come on!

Evolution is bs, it's more along the lines of adapting to a certain environment. Such as putting a polar bear on the rocky mountains, it's going to struggle but it will survive by adapting to it's new environment.

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No, you can't be this ignorant. No cell or organism is going to evolve into a bear, unless it is the natural process of reproduction of the bear, such as male and female.

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Yes, but none that will turn into a bear! A male and female bear is required period.

 

Where did the twig come from?

And the two men conducting the experiment, where did they come from? The atmosphere, where did it come from? Can't have water without an atmosphere, can't have an atmosphere without water? Your blindly putting your faith in what is said to be true.

The cloned sheep was done by scientists, where was they in the beginning, oh yeah they wasn't there.

I will pretend that organisms and cells grouped together to form life, what life was formed. Was it a bear, where did the bear come from? It requires a male and female bear period. Same with just about all forms of life.

 

Your missing the point. Tell me, where did the bear come from?

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Do you believe that after you die is the same as before you was born, just completely non-existent?

 

Unless I'm mistaken you can have an atmosphere without water. Jupiter has a real thick atmosphere yet I don't think it has water. Also comets are made of ice and that's water yet they don't have an atmosphere.

 

I believe you and I exists and will continue to exist after death

I believe in a afterlife, I do not believe in a God, those are not one and the same, you can have a afterlife without a God, did you not know that?

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Yet both are in the same boat when trying to prove it. What makes the afterlife more believable than a creator?

 

Personal experience.... I wish everyone could experience it

I do not believe in Gods, but do believe in a higher power, I was raised Christian, but an Out of Body experience as a child set me free from that belief, I then knew that we lived on after death, but it wasn't as the bible said.... took me many years to come to terms with that as I did not want to give up the religion I was raised with

 

So now you are making the crocoduck argument. I guess you can be that ignorant.

Are you admitting you were either so ignorant that you didn't know asexual reproduction is a thing (and thus are too ignorant to even comment on topics of science) or that you were lying when you claimed sexual reproduction was the only form of reproduction?

 

jrr777 has moved the goalposts with one of his standard, "Hey look over there!" tactics.

If you really want a chuckle, ask jrr777 about his belief that the Earth is flat. That's some funny stuff. His willful ignorance concerning the biological theory of evolution is just that...willful ignorance.

 

I'm not missing the point; YOU are moving the goalposts. You start out by saying:

...but then you start talking about bears.

So how did the first animal (hint: it wasn't a bear) eat? It ate plants. How did the first animal reproduce? Asexually.

 

Seems how you know it all, where did the bear come from?

 

You merely replace the one true God, with your own. That's funny! "God is not true, but my god is"! Just another example of how people are all about themselves. me me me me me

 

Maccabee? jrr777 is a Flat Earther. He doesn't believe Jupiter is anything but something the size of a basketball a few thousand miles away. Nor does he believe in astronomy or astro-science so citing atmosphere or water components of distant object is pointless.

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You see no irony or hypocrisy in that, do you? Given you do exactly the same thing and say YOUR version of God is the "one, True God"

 

I do not believe in a God

I believe in a afterlife

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Guess you never heard of asexual reproduction or parthogenesis or for that matter any science whatsoever.

 

If it doesn't derail the thread I would like to hear your experience.

 

it was very brief, I was very young and I panicked, but I very clearly left my body, I was so scared, then snap, back into my body and I woke, it's never happened again though I wish it would as it would no longer scare me

to explain the fear, imagine holding your breath till you can't breath anymore.... that was the kinda panic I felt, feels stupid that I panicked so bad now

I am a logical person, if not for that experience I would probably not believe in a afterlife - and yes, sometimes I wonder if was just the most realistic dream of my life or not, I do not fear dying because of it though

I remember remembering where I was, so i did have memory, though I do not know if this was because I was somehow still linked to my body or not, maybe the brain is like a flash drive, when we pass on we leave the flash drive behind, I do not know, I hope that is not true, but it could be

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I'm not going to be diverted to the irrelevant origin of bears. You've been told how the first animals came to be, and that was the question at hand. Until you accept that, there is no point in continuing.

 

Sorry but I'm having trouble figuring out how that disprove (or at least give evidence against) what the Bible teaches. How does your experience contradicts anything mentioned in scripture?

 

The first living organisms were not "male and female".

How reproductive capacity developed was a question scientists had for many years. Without reproductive capacity evolution can not happen.

How this capacity developed from the "primordial soup" is no longer a question. Molecules with the ability for self replication (RNA) are created by the environment present on the earth billions of years ago.

 

It doesn't. The flood story in the Bible is contradicted by science, logic and rational thought in general.

According to the Bible a global flood occurred roughly 2100-2300 AD. (Some 4000 years ago).

There are ice cores that are 400,000 years old .. no global flood. A global flood would have left a flood layer over the entire earth ... - no such flood layer.

Supposedly every land creature save Noah and family was wiped out. We have continuous civilization in various places all over the world throughout this time period.

The flood story (as written) is abject nonsense. Genesis is a retelling of Sumerian and near east creation myth.

When the Jewish clergy were writing, editing and putting together the OT after the Persians freed them from Babylonian captivity they needed a "beginning" to their story.

 

During WW2 there was a fighter squadron that had to crash land in Greenland because of the weather. Everyone survived but they left the planes. A few decades later some guy wanted to extract them and restore them (one of them being a P38 and is rare). So they have to drill I believe at least 30 ft of ice. Of that 30 ft there were hundreds of ice rings. If each ring represented one year then how can you get hundreds of rings in a span of I believe four decades?