Iran has admitted it shot down the Ukraine flight.

One more link to Cashill's writings at American Thinker. https://www.americanthinker.com/author/jack_cashill/

Somewhere you should find the high regard that Cashill holds SA Steve Bongardt, then head of FBI missile team.

 

More questions you won't answer, because you don't want to face reality.

If you were a US Navy sailor on a warship off the coast of Long Island, and your ship shot off a missile(and trust me, a sailor on a Navy ship absolutely does know when a missile is shot, it's kind of a big deal) and the next day you saw news reports of an airliner that crashed off the coast of Long Island, and then you later heard reports from The Navy denying that any US Navy ship had shot any missiles in the vicinity, what would you do? What do you think hundreds of your shipmates would do in that situation?

Consider reality, and answer the questions, or don't answer the questions, and show us how you prefer to hide in your little tinfoil hat conspiracy fantasy world.

 

I didn't expect you to be convinced.

I am supposed to believe your story about sailors on the Vincennes blabbing, and I do, but you are so disingenuous that you deny anybody else telling a similar tale.

That renders you a dishonest poster, and honest dialogue is impossible with dishonest posters.

 

Sounds like you're readying yourself to beat a fast retreat.

About what I expected.

 

I remember thinking at the time that it seemed strange that there were so many reports from witnesses describing what looked like a fiery, bright missile trail going upward into the sky in the same time frame, and I never did understand why the PETN traces were so quickly discounted in the explanation of the examination.

Too, the FBI was no 'paragon' of excellence during Clinton's presidency (Ruby Ridge, Waco, Wen Ho Lee, Unabomber, et al). I am not extolling Louis Freeh as an exemplary FBI Director -- only that compared to a THING like James Comey was as Director, the FBI was better run under Freeh.

At any rate, comparison between TWA 800 and this "Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" the other day in Iran seems gratuitous and irrelevant, frankly... like trying too hard to prove a point that is pretty far-fetched....

 

This is how US Navy sailors operate in the real world. This is the ship I was on, when I was on it.

But yeah, those same sorts of sailors will shut their mouths about bringing down an airliner, right?

It's just disgustingly insulting and disrespectful.

But that's what tinfoil hat conspiracy kooks are- disgustingly insulting and disrespectful little kooks in their little fantasyworlds.

 

I agree with your last point, as now Iran has come clean on how the airplane came down.

The only point of comparison between the 2 accidents is that both were done in error, and while Iran admitted it just days later, Washington will never admit its error. The myth will live forever in the minds of those who prefer not to think for themselves.

Is it possible that the crooked FBI introduced the PETN angle as misinformation? They are capable of that you know.

 

TEA 800 is actually when I realized just how much we are lied to and how complicit the media is in it.

I watched the story unfold in real time (stayed up all night) and it was amazing how the story morphed from a missile shoot down, complete with witnesses on the beach, to one of a technical failure.

The media and government hadn't, at that time, perfected getting its ducks in a row and speaking with one voice. The media basically did a slo-mo 180 from one of certainty that it was an accidental shoot down to that center fuel tank thingie, which had never happened before or since.

Did they ever ground the whole fleet and inspect them all for the wiring? LOL

 

Well, we're going off topic, but what do you think of the Reagan incident in Japan? https://www.mintpressnews.com/fukus...ated-sailors-of-the-uss-ronald-reagan/238590/

 

Evasion noted.

You clearly have no intention of facing reality here.

 

Far be it from me to pass up a perfectly good reason to bash Iran but since when the hell does "reservations" become a reason to proceed when you're suddenly in a war zone and the SAMs are flying?

Most jetliner pilots are former military and have a real fear of missiles when in a lumbering 737. Jetliner pilots are the best of the best and they realize it's not like they're Ralph Kramden. If a bus driver ****s up you're usually late to work at worst. If an airline pilot's judgment is off there won't be enough left to bury.

Why did the pilot go? He was told everyone else was grounded

 

One of the telltale signs of deception was the AD process, which stands for Airworthiness Directive. Those are routinely issued by the FAA when certain design faults are discovered after a certified aircraft enters service.

In the case of the 747 with supposed wiring problems in the fuel tanks according to the government, it was several years later before an AD was issued. They were so certain of the wiring problems, yet it took years before an AD was issued.

It is huge irony, bitter irony and comical, that whereas the US will never admit its mistake with TWA800, the Iranian government admitted its mistake within days.

 

What mistake with TWA 800? What mistake happened?

 

If you're talking about me, I thank you for the compliments. Bless you!

What I find strange is how a cult follower of Ayn Rand who wants to emphasize reasoning over emotions is always so 'passionate' about everything?

Here's an example of how you follow your 'passions' towards anyone or any culture and system that doesn't conform to your own standards and beliefs.

What evidence of corruption and evil? How about some facts:

"...The average nominal monthly wage (in Russia), has grown almost 11-fold from $61 to $652. Unemployment has contracted from 13 percent to 5.2 percent. Pensions have grown over 1,000 percent in the same period from $20 to $221..."​

 

So no credible sources.....and you're blowing it out your ass in other words.

 

Moon of Alabama has an excellent take on it. I don't agree with the fault being Trump but rather with those who advise him - as well as the political pressures he is under. When he bombed Syria in the false flag chemical attack, he said his daughter encouraged him. In this case it would be Pompeo. Here is the last part of an excellent article.

"...The air defense systems have to be dispersed to make them less easy to attack. Communication failures are to be expected during a war. The soldiers are trained to act autonomously when comm-failures happen. They did what they had to do.

It is sad that this incident happened and that 176 lost their life. But if one wants to find a person guilty for it one must look for the person who caused the whole situation. That person is not the lowly sergeant who pressed the button. That person is U.S. President Donald Trump..."

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/...rplane-near-tehran-really-a-mistake.html#more​

 

Christ, now he's blaming his DAUGHTER? How toxic can a man BE?

 

Yeah, and Iranians love their dictators and loved the tyranny's hired gun thug, Suleimani. And the the citizens of Hong Kong and Taiwan love the Chinese--they are brothers in a struggle against Western Hegemony.

Do you have any clue of how far you have drifted off the planet, into the Theater of the Absurd, and from reality?

"'Our enemy is right here!' Videos show Iran protesters fleeing tear gas, live bullets as protests grow"--
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ive-bullets-after-plane-shot-down/4452476002/

Iranian protesters demand Khamenei quit over downing of plane


Los Angeles' Iranian community cheers anti-regime protests over downing of Ukrainian plane


Iranian protestors thank Trump, America for their support


Hong Kong democrats score a landslide local election landslide victory after months of protests
Published Sun, Nov 24 20196:23 PM ESTUpdated Mon, Nov 25 20192:31 AM EST
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/hong-kong-democrats-cheer-landslide-victory-in-local-elections.html

Tsai said upon claiming victory that Taiwan would not give in to threats and intimidation from China and that only Taiwan's people had the right to decide their own future.
Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen won a landslide victory on Saturday as voters delivered a stunning rebuke of Beijing’s campaign to isolate the self-ruled island and handed its first female leader a second term.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...sai-ing-wen-wins-election-china/#.Xhy_-3dFxhE

Tyranny is on the ropes. China is watching how America reacts to Iranian protests. Let the moral stand with liberty and against tyranny. I stand with the Iranian protestors, with the Hong Kong idealists, and with Taiwanese independence, and against Xi Jinping and the CPC, and the tyrant Khamenei and his brother religious thugs, the Assembly of Experts--their days are numbered, their ideas old and failed, and their end, long overdue. Let freedom ring. (Putin and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had better get on the bandwagon and stop psng on Lady Liberty, or they will join the Chinese Communists and the Islamic butchers, and a long list of other tyrants, dictators, and despots emptied into the trash bin of history, into the oblivion of the rejected, the unwanted and the undesired.)

 

Are you saying that anyone that doesn't accept the narrative they are given, regardless of how many times they have been lied to is a conspiracy theorist? Does this make investigative reporters conspiracy theorists, or for that matter anyone that questions what they are told a conspiracy theorist?

 

Supposedly he didn't know it was a false flag attack, and his daughter saw the children and became upset. What it really means is that he hesitated, and needed encouragement to go through with it. I guess France and Britain weren't enough?

 

When millions in Iran and throughout the Middle East are crying 'death to America' over Soleiman's assassination, and you're trying to present it that they are protesting against their own government, one has to wonder who thinks up these things?

I read that Washington is making a list of the nations that will be off limits to Americans, and most are in the Middle East. But they won't say it's because they hate us and our lives will be in danger, but because we want to isolate and punish them.

Should they find out differently, then no problem. We'll say Russia's to blame.

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I'm singing now a wondrous song
To tell the world that right is wrong
and what you thought was naught before
was just a lie that you had bought.

You figure! - Jeannette

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Sometimes a conspiracy theory makes sense. The most famous one is the assassination of
JFK - but even here the conspiracy was the cover-up of the investigation, not the actual crime
that came to light. But on the whole, a huge percentage of conspiracy theories don't pan out.
And worse, they can't make predictions. My mother predicts that Elon Musk will be assassinated
because he is upending the automotive, space, satellite, internet, tunnel boring and solar storage
industries. If Musk WAS murdered the conspiracy theorist would be out in force with "I told you so"
stories, only - there was no "told you".

Sure, it's good to be skeptical. Only, be more skeptical of the statements from dictators and failed
states than of liberal democracies.

 

Like everything, it's complicated
About 1500 people were shot in recent fuel riots.
And others were killed in protesting against the government.
So America just adds to the mix.

Frankly, I am surprised Tehran actually admitted to downing
the plane. They could easily have said America did it, and
most of the world would have believed them. This is what
Russia does all the time.

 

Don’t tell it to me, tell it to the protestors tearing down his pictures, his plagues, his image, all while demanding regime change.

Are you Bagdad Bob’s daughter? You act like it.

 

Why am I so passionate? I love being rich and free and will rip the heart out of hell to kept it that way. In other words, I love being selfish, and fear tyranny more than death.

As to Russian prosperity, Jesse James and Al Capone could say the same about their financial empires. Or, if you prefer, free markets and a nations prosperity don’t depend on the loot stolen by nationalizing industries, and robbing the creative and productive.