Is Andrew Tate's popularity among young men a result of male bashing?

Recently, Andrew Tate has reached 7.5 million followers on Twitter. On TikTok, hashtag #andrewtate had 19 billion views until it was banned. In short, Andrew Tate is popular.

 

Tate is, at best, a parasite. That's the nicest thing I can say about the "man." His popularity doesn't matter. He isn't the only popular con man. **** that bastard.

 

Why? Of course some of his ideas are offensive. But at least he opposes the mainstream male-bashing narrative.

 

He "opposes" it by trying to make men deserve it. It's the equivalent of trying to fight the anti-white narrative by training whites to be more racist. Hell, it is far worse than that. He not only tries to train men to hate women, but also to be con men.

 

I would like to present my nanoessay on the subject:

In order to understand popularity of Andrew Tate, we must understand his audience -- young men. In recent decades there has been a lot of misunderstandings about the nature of men. In Progressive Circles, men are viewed as oppressors, pigs, garbage, and generally as moral inferiors. This is false. Men are Human. Men are Women's Equals and partners in Society. All Genders have unique strengths, but genders are equal. Even though many feminists make negative and slanderous generalizations about men, the Dictionary Definition of Feminism also reaffirms the fact that men are Equals of Women.


Given that men are Women's Equals, it follows that a Society which views men as the morally inferior gender is a Society in which Evil is accepted and viewed as Virtue. Once again, there is no morally inferior gender. It should come to no surprise that many men do not like those who view them as the morally inferior gender. It should come to no surprise that many men like Andrew Tate due to the simple fact that misandrists do not like him. Even if his ideas had no other value, the fact that he is strongly disliked by misandrists should be enough for many men to view him as their friend.


As many misandrists point out, Andrew Tate does have many problematic and perhaps even misogynistic views. Men who believe in Gender Equality should support him without agreeing with all of his views.

 

You would have sounded potentially honest if you hadn't said "perhaps even misogynistic views." No honest person can say "perhaps" here. He's explicitly misogynistic and, in addition to conning young men, this is how he makes his fortune. He's, at best, a parasite. The CORE of his views and the CORE of his business are misogyny.

You know what his advice is when you strip away his rapey way of life? Work out and make money. That's it.

 

I think so, the phenomenon Andrew Tate is the pendulum swinging to the extreme on the other side.

 

In my opinion Eminem 2000 was much more extreme. But he did slow down the tide of male-bashing.

 

I personally believe Tate is a badass

 

Marriage is not what it used to be, he is just capitalizing off saying what many think, but would never say out loud

 

yes, agree, it's the flip side of Misandry... the two extremes... one is more acceptable in society right now, Misandry is getting some pushback

 

yep, he is bringing attention to the issue though, Misandry and Misogyny are both issues in society, Misandry is often ignored and sometimes even encouraged

 

If you are going to get bashed whether you deserve it or not there is no motivation to become a man that doesn't deserve it because you get it anyway.

 

well, no it is more about gaining confidence and working on yourself to be happy with yourself. This is advice fathers used to give their sons. Now it is considered toxic masculinity. essentially now society is telling boys they are flawed because they are not female. it is also telling them to shut up and just be good men for no reason at all but to please the people that hate them.

I think you are being reductive because you don't want to be wrong.

 

Are kidding me? eminem is a fragile weak little crybaby.

 

. . . and he is encouraging misogyny. He is bringing attention to misogyny . . . supporting it . . . and being one of the world's biggest cheerleaders for it.

 

Then you know nothing about him.

 

I haven’t seen a single comment of his I disagree with.

 

Not even when he said women are property? Not when he bragged about conning women? Not when it bragged about conning men when he was faking being a woman to get them to sell their houses and go into massive debt for the lies he was selling them? Really? ****ing really?

I can't understand why you have such a high regard for a parasite.

 

I don’t recall him saying women were property, and I never heard him say he conned women either. I think you’re overstating things.

 

Dude. He literally said women were property. He literally said he lied to women about their taxes so that he could get more of their money split for his pimping business. He literally said he pretended to be a woman in order to con men out of more money, getting them to sell their houses, go into massive debt, by lying to them about them being able to actually marry these girls. He had a whole ****ing "course" about getting women to fall in love with you so that you can trick them so that you could pimp them on Only Fans. You clearly have never actually heard about this man before. All of these things are objectively true. But I understand that you will need to ignore reality in order to defend this "man." Hell, even if you agree with his position that women are property, even if you agree with his position that it is okay to con people, even if you agree with his pimping "business" . . . the dude literally tells people they shouldn't read . . . WTF? No self-respecting man can call this leech a role model.

Be honest: would you want your son or daughter anywhere near this psychopath? Be honest.

 

I would like to see the evidence of this.

 

Other than this site-- and You Tube, for music-- I am not much of an internet person, so I have never before heard of this Andrew Tate. But, rather than you & @Joe knows arguing over what things he has said, are there not some examples, as morally objectionable as they may be, that could still be snipped and posted, as in any other debate, to make your case?

For whatever it's worth, since I'm unfamiliar with Tate, the complaints of @CCitizen put me in mind of a word I have just learned (not really "learned," because I'd already forgotten it, so needed to just now Google it, again). I had seen Hey Now, I think, use the word, many times, never knowing what it meant, so finally looked it up: "incels." This is short for "involuntary celibuts." It is basically men who blame women for their failure with women. Those in this group, I'd read, could also be hostile towards other men who are having sex with women. These incels are apparently a sizable group, or at least sufficiently large, to explain the "popularity" of this guy (who again, I've never even heard of), Tate.

I'm guessing that most in this thread, and at least many of you on Political Forum, are familiar with the "incel" term. I am not sure if it's definition is somewhat ambiguous, so would be a subjective determination of whether or not it would apply in many cases, since the very general definition I gave, above, was my takeaway from my first lookup of the term, but when I just Googled my description of the word I was seeking, I was presented a definition from the ADL, Anti-Defamation League, which paints incels as worse than merely sexually frustrated, misogynistic trolls. So I would appreciate any clarification of this, from anyone who'd care to offer it.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/incels-involuntary-celibates

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Incels are heterosexual men who blame women and society for their lack of romantic success
A subset of the online misogynist “manosphere” that includes Pick Up Artists and Men’s Rights Activists, incels are known for their deep-seated pessimism and profound sense of grievance against women
The incel ideology is rooted in the belief that women have too much power in the sexual/romantic sphere and ruin incels’ lives by rejecting them
Incels are the most violent sector of the manosphere, and have perpetrated a range of deadly attacks against women
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If you promise to actually address and acknowledge when that evidence is given, I'll start providing it, probably taking it one and at a time to see if you are going to handle this with honesty and integrity.

 

I would look at it for sure.