Is anti trans all Christianity?

this party platfoem will be like the last one.

"we accept @the realdonaldtrump as our anointed savior and will perform his slightest whim."

 

Yes, of course I've seen that and I approve of it. It should become a party platform. I was thinking about negative things and had not thought that you consider this negative. Apparently you approve of gender affirmation for minors. Surprising.

 

It isn't chemical castration, and the same drugs are prescribed for other purposes. Not all of us share your authoritarianism.

 

ok. that is a "thing" but how common is it? there are fewer transgender americans than the difference by which joe biden thrashed the whining little prick who starts all this division.

 

Chemically castrating one child should not be legal. Further: Trump is not the one who started the disagreement on whether or not we should allow the chemical castration of children.

 

Puberty blockers et al are chemical castration drugs.
They cause permanent harm and are administered to a person who cannot give consent. They should be illegal for the exact same reason circumcisions' and child marriage should be illegal.

 

these "moral panics, from witch burning through red baiting and day care pedophiles through cultural marxism and now the groomers are well documented by psychologists.

maybe "conservatism" itself is a "moral panic?" try this great 1964 article ........

[Article] The Paranoid Style in American Politics | Harper's Magazine (harpers.org)

 

Strange that I agree with you, because transgender people are not changing their biology. They aren’t transforming into biological men and women. They are just altering their appearance and they are unequivocally trans, trans female/male. So while I agree with your words, something is lost in communication. I suspect the point we diverge is how you see and feel about them… you personally don’t like them and don’t think they should be transitioning? I would also suspect that you don’t want them accepted into traditional gender groups, like they should be outcasts who surgery rendered themselves misfits? It’s like they should be allowed to transition but they should also deal with other consequences as a result of their choice.

 

pun intended?

 

spoken like a true nationalist fascist christian in name only

 

I honestly don’t think conservatives are at the live and let live point. Conservatives are obsessing over biological gender. NC outright banned all trans from using the bathroom they identify with. If a person has fully transition and basically looks like Jennifer Lopez, they shouldn’t be going into a men’s room. That’s absurd.

politically I don’t believe right wingers are like hey, you get can get surgeries, do what you want, I don’t care. DeSantis and plenty other leaders are showing they care, trying to stop transgender care in their states, etc. There is government interference going on in their lives.

 

We're fine with adults doing it. Kids not so much, the same way I'm not ok with child marriage.
You can add circumcision to the list too.
Further: Just because you call yourself the opposite sex, doesn't mean you are the opposite sex and doesn't obligate anyone to treat you as the opposite sex.
Still further: You do understand telling them not to accept it in their personal lives, and not to join actions or support actions that allow it, isn't the same as telling them to burn the witch or something right?

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See the bold? You can FEEL like whatever, you can get as much cosmetic surgery as you like, you're not a female or a woman (as these terms refer to physical sex, not gender).
If what you're saying is, maybe people shouldn't mutilate themselves in this way if they ALSO require all of society to embrace their DSM level delusion because all of society won't do that and those persons will end up more on the outside than they were initially: You understand why I don't encourage people to do this to themselves, and I don't sugarcoat my opinion of what is they are doing to themselves.

 

bullshit - their rights are the same as every other American. Cut the victim crap.

 

It really depends on your pastor. My brother in law is a pastor and he welcomes and accepts gay people to his church. I have never spoken to him about trans members but I feel he would do the same. I have seem some videos of pastors that take very extreme positions on sexuality and politics. Pastor's that actually promote politics in their church. I think it is up to the members to decide if this is acceptable. If not find a new church or a new pastor.

 

gender affirming care. lmfao, what a crock.

 

Its perfectly normal to go along with a person who has a DSM level delusion about reality and tell them whatever kooky thing they've decided is reality really is.
If they think they're Napoleon? Call them Emperor Bonaparte. Etc

 

People are like onions. They have infinite numbers of layers of meaning and purpose and we tend to be intolerant of them when we stop at the surface, see only certain things, don't dig deeper and most importantly impose or project our preconceived views on what we think we see of that other person. If our preconceived views are positive, we project those positive preconceptions on others that make them look "good" or "agreeable", but when we project negative preconceptions on others, they look "bad" or "disagreeable" or "crazy" etc.

The discussion on others when it comes to gender and sexual identity are constantly mistaken for one another.

Gender refers to the biological composite of our physical body at birth, i.e., vagina, testacles, pelvic and hip frame, shoulder to waste ratio, but most absolutely by xy or xx chromosome composition determined by biology. That is gender. Its predetermined in the womb and by the dna and biological processes.

It can result in people being born with female and male sexual organs, but there is always an xy or xx chromosome difference.

Once people are born we know they develop an awareness of their body and whether they have a penis or vagina or both as they grow before they reach puberty. To be clear this is not a sexual definition we come upon but one based on our body structure and how it compares to others.

As we grow, we learn from our environmental influences as well as inherent characteristics that naturally evolve how we feel about our bodies.

Sexuality which adults project onto children far too young is the concept of who they feel sexually attracted to. The worst thing we can do is impose on children sexual preference issue debates or discussions until each child is at a stage where they are feeling such attractions need to be discussed. That is where parents come in. It starts with parents.

Children do not each puberty at the same time. Their need to know about sexual preference in who they are attracted to evolves differently in each human depending on how early puberty comes and specific chemicals in the body are released. We are too concerned about imposing a sexual preference conduct code on children. All they need to know is it is never acceptable for anyone to touch them or vice versa and to understand adults have zero business expressing sexual attraction to them and to learn to respect their body and know how it works. That subject of body awareness is confused with sexual attraction awareness. Children can learn about human anatomy and basic biology when they are young. Sexuality is a different topic and children should be left alone to be innocent and come upon such a topic only when they are ready and I think we push it too much.

Now when we have children who tell us they have this inherent drive deep from within that tells them they feel like a girl but they are a boy or vice versa, that may not have anything to do with sexual attraction. Some young people say they feel like a girl even though they are a boy because they feel attracted to other boys sexually so they confuse their gender with their sexual preference. It may be they think they have to switch genders to make sure they remain attracted to the opposite sex because they feel attraction to the same sex can not be allowed. The other kind is a genuine internal voice that says they are in the wrong body. This is called body dysmorphia. The feeling of their gender not their sexual attraction conflicts with their body it has nothing to do with sexual attraction.

Now we used to define homosexuality as a mental illness and many still define the desire to change sex to be body dysmorphia and think it is a mental illness or psychological condition and we get into a debate as to whether someone should learn to accept their body but also still be able to express themselves as a female as the best way to adapt to it. Others argue since we have the ability now to perform plastic surgery and provide hormones we can help people change their body to the other gender.

I say to you all that decision whether to live with the body you have or change it to the other gender is not necessarily because of sexual attraction and has nothing to do with sexual attraction and its important we make sure that gay people who mistake having to change their bodies so they are no longer gay is not healthy its based on self hatred. When people undergo sex change counselling self hatred for being gay is screened. The decision to change genders must be based on positive not negative belief structures.

Some people are comfortable remaining a man but dressing as a woman but are straight in terms of sexual preference and others may be gay. Some transexuals, i.e., men to women, remain attracted to women. The two are separate agenda that each individual has to sort out and balance. Its hard to do so when we have so many of us telling people how they should think, feel, act.

So in conclusion I argue people may in terms of their sexual attraction:
1-be born a man and feel comfortable with that and are attracted to women
2-be born a woman and feel comfortable with that and are attracted to men
3-be born a man, feel comfortable with that and be attracted to men
4-be born a woman, feel comfortable with that but be attracted to women
5-as above in 1-4 but attracted to both men and women equally.

The above 5 categories are as far as I am concerned and science is considered most of the time determined in the dna and we know this because the autopsy of lesbian brains showed us they have brain structure different than other female structure.

That said people also can be influenced by who they feel sexually attracted to by their environmental influences and no we do not know how much is biologically pre-destined and how much is learned. No one knows. There is no clear line.

Today because of a political agenda, we now have created numerous political terms and labe;s to explain the above depending on how it varies and quite frankly I would argue stop with all the damn labels and need to label everything.

The only time sexual choices should a concern to society I would argue is if the relationship is forced/non consensual/violent or deals with adults imposing themselves on children. Then those deviations from 1-5 above, become a criminal concern and must be contained.

In regards to gender and gender identity to be accurate, if someone is born as a man or born as a woman and feels so compelled they can't live within their body, it should not be confused with 1-5 above and if its mixed up with self hateful concepts flowing from 1-5 above then the best we can do is guide people to become comfortable with their bodies and not think they need a gender change simply because they are gay or lesbian.

If and when an individual is at the age they can clearly explain their feelings, hopes and aspirations with their parents and doctor or at least doctor, then hopefully the screening process begins so that if they do make the transition its done for self affirming not self denying reasons.

As for those adults interested or motivated in imposing their views or beliefs on others I say, its not your body and quite frankly its none of your phacking business. Decisions as to one's own body are a private matter between that person and a trusted health care advisor not you or me.

That all said screw people using politics to justify hating people.

 

I'm a man but I have no idea what it means to "feel like a man". The question is nonsensical to me. Every person has a unique set of personality traits and none of them have anything to do with their gender.

 

That is absolutely not true — we are starting to see laws that allow medical professionals the ability to deny treatment to individuals if that individual goes against their moral belief. That means EMT’s don’t have to treat trans people if they don’t want.

They cannot consent to sex either, yet republicans support forcing these children to carry children to term.

 

See above in the thread where I stress I'm not a republican?

See my response where I equate circumcisions' and child marriage to chemically castrating them or entertaining their DSM level delusion?
Abortion should legal if the mother's health is implicated.
In the case of a child presenting for an abortion, I would posit that we require a DNA test be done on the remains and an investigation test known males who have potentially had contact with the minor.
Find out who raped them, and execute this person.

 

I would not say that I do not like them. If anything, I sincerely feel sorry for them. I see them as very troubled people.

Do I think they should be transitioning? They can do whatever they please it is not any skin off my nose one way or the other. I believe that the vast majority of these people are clinically depressed and they are searching for a reason for that depression. It is my belief that there probably are people that transition and it becomes a net positive in their life. I also believe that as common as it is becoming today, there are also undoubtedly people that thought it was the solution to their depression and they later learn that it did no such thing which is a significantly compounded tragedy.

In reality, clinical depression is not about a particular event or situation, rather it is about how one reacts to the predictable downs that happen in everyone's life. Very few people with clinical depression admit to themselves that they are the problem, rather they always tend to blame their depression on losing a job, their spouse makes them depressed, they have no friends, the death of a loved one etc etc. For most of these people, getting a new job does not fix their depression. Divorcing their spouse does not fix their depression. Turning into a woman does not fix their depression etc. I say all of that to convey that I do not believe that for most of them that this is the solution to their problems. With that being said, I suspect that for a scant few, it probably does solve their problems.

If it were my adult child, I would advise strongly against it, or at minimum, would insist upon a long waiting period before they did anything irreversible. If it were my pre pubescent child, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that I am taking the word of a 12 year old for processing the emotions and reality of something this incredibly complex at that stage in their life. I would not even trust them to drop them off at the mall alone at that age, much less am I going to allow them to permanently impact their biological processes with hormone blockers because they "feel" like they are the opposite sex.

-As far your suggestion that I am saying they should be labeled misfits, that is not my intent. What I meant by making it clear that they are a man pretending to be a woman is that they should know full well that their actions are rendering them as misfits. There is this notion going around that they are real women, and they most certainly are not, and they should realize this reality before making that choice. A perfect example of this is that the vast majority of heterosexual men are not going to see them as viable partners. This is reality, and it is not dependent upon a label that anyone chooses to use. Trying to get everyone to call them women does not impact this reality one way or the other.

 

These surgeries are not "cosmetic" surgeries and are being performed due to the person does not match the body. The Affirmation surgery is in hopes to get them into a better place mentally, however, some it works for, while others still end up ending their lives as they still do not feel complete. That is a pure sign that they are in a mental crisis.

I'm absolutely not opposed to gender affirmation surgery as there are people who truly need to be another sex. Blaire White is a prime example (not because she's conservative) that the surgery wasn't only warranted, it saved her life. However, many are truly suffering from bigger mental issues that surgery will not fix and they should be treated for appropriately. Merely affirming them is not solving the underlying issue.

 

I agree with all of this

 

Gender dysphoria isn’t the same as a state of delusion and not understanding reality. Transgender people don’t have symptoms of mental illness like schizophrenia or shizotypal personality disorder. It’s just simply noy recognized as a delusional based mental health illness. People who suffer from clinical delusions are also not stable in their perception and delusions.

 

Apotemnophilia: 3 Types of This Interesting, Rare Condition - CBT - Psychotherapy and Methods (cbtcognitivebehavioraltherapy.com)

If you click on the above link it describes a DSM recognized condition known as Apotemnophilia, where an individual believes that their limbs are not their own and they have an intense desire for amputation. They too do NOT have schizo like symptoms (hallucinations), but their delusional state is covered in the DSM and is considered psychosis. In a lot of ways, there are strong similarities between this and gender dysphoria. This is considered a mental illness just as gender dysphoria used to be. The argument would be were they correct in changing that designation for gender dysphoria, or did they simply cave into political pressure? That is a very legitimate question.

Do you think we should cut off their limbs because of this belief that their limbs are not their own? When comparing these two conditions, at what point should rational minds intervene and say despite what you think inside, you ARE a man or those ARE your limbs?