Is Education a Human Right or a Privilege?

Education is a privilege. You've got to pay up if you want to learn.

 

You don't like facts much, do you. Please look up some. According to NCES (National Center for Educational statistics), 39.9% of 18-24 yr olds attended college in 2015.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372

 

Let's say yes, education is a human right. I'm guessing that because it's been
decided, then this right should also be paid for by the government.

I would also have to then be resigned to the notion that the government needs
to provide, food, water, air, housing, transportation, meaningful employment,
gasoline, heat, electricity, access to high speed internet, healthcare, and of
course firearms.

 

I believe we should make better use of our Information Age.

 

It's neither. It's an investment in your own country. It's an investment in the future.

 

In this society it's a virtual imperative that one has a college degree for almost any job.

 

why not solve simple poverty for individuals on an at-will basis at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage? Persons could go to school as long as they want until an employer decides it is worth his time to hire a Person with those skill sets.

 

Recognize what? That a rhetorical label can "do something"? Don't worry, you aren't the only two who rely on illogical arguments. It's a common error.

That being said, if, as you say, "society" defines rights, then can it also define that some do not have rights? Say, for instance, black people or Jews? Or, more contemporarily, Muslims? If so, will you recognize that those people have rights anyway, and will you consider yourself in the wrong for going against what "society" declares as rights?

 

If your definition of "better society" is one in which children make good workers for industry, good cannon fodder for war, and do not question authority, then you are correct. That is the reason that elementary schools are government-run and paid for (not "free" as you claim.)

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You forgot shelter. And, safe spaces. Everyone deserves to be free from having to hear any opinion which might upset them.

 

There is nothing illogical about anything we've said--perhaps just a little upsetting, for some. Yes, society can determine that some do not have rights. We, in one culture, may not like it, but that is what happens. There is nothing objective about me claiming that people have to do anything. Virtually all of the "rights" that we have were or are backed up by force at some point and subsequently legislated, but there is no other foundation. I think of rights as hard-earned privileges.

Morality is relative. The sooner people realize that, the sooner we can stop creating conflicts over differences of opinion. Societies and individual cultures determine what is right for them, not some global, universal force. I'm assuming you're a leftist? I've always found it funny how the left dismisses the foundation of Christian morality and then replaces it with something equally baseless (I'm an atheist).

 

I would say education, public or private, is an option in life.

People have the option of learning nothing, obtaining some basic knowledge, obtaining specialized knowledge, and their reasons can be anything from being lazy, to having personal limitations, to a desire to achieve more, to external pressures. If a person has learning disabilities it doesn't make sense to force some one-size-fits-all education system on them. And conversely, a genius kid may also fail in a one-size-fits-all education system. How much education does a person need? How will a person acquire their education? IMO learning should not stop until we die. What percentage of people will fail to learn on their own? Lastly, when discussing 'public' education, funded by taxpayers, can anyone define the goal or mission of public education? Seems to me if we cannot find consensus on why we desire 'public' education...we cannot know if education is a 'right or privilege...

 

Education is a right, as are the basic requirements for survival. What happens when you intertwine the two is covert slavery, lifetimes of regret, accusations, exploitations, and superior-complexes. Education should be a right, just as drinking water, running, exercise, and so-on.

This notion that being healthy & happy should be something "you earn" is actually the covert messages of the devil; that is, slave-runners, greedy, wealthy salesmen & democratic puppets. The whole system is backwards & run by prostitutes & salesmen. They want everyone else doing all the work and struggling for survival while they live it up in pleasure, drugs, and power.

Thus, we are treated as novelty items by so many, and education is a brainwashing system given to the young and then something people pay enormous amounts of enslaved debts to. The truth is that people want to work, people want to create, teach, and sustain a beautiful society; not a mechanical society full of poisons, toxins, power games, survival games, love games, mind games, cult wars, rivalry, enslavements, refined foods for pleasure, torturous & abusive, seductive marketing, porn, vulgarity, drugs, death, disease, affluenza, and vanity.

 

Depends how you define privilege. In more developed nations, we see education as a right of every human being. In less developed nations, we see education far more as a privilege. If you want to really boil things down to it, all the necessities for life can be considered a right while everything that isn't completely necessary to live is a privilege, although that is somewhat primitive of an outlook.

 

Actually, public education is not a 'right' granted by the US Constitution. Individual States might have public education listed as a 'right' of the State's citizens but this will vary from State to State.

If we are to have a 'right' we need to know who it is that can grant and enforce those 'rights'?

A better question for this thread is why doesn't the US Constitution talk about public education and why don't current US citizens demand an amendment to the Constitution adding public education as a 'right'?

 

No it is a federal right according to SCOTUS and no state can deny that right to ANY child.

 

A service/amenity cannot be a right. Education is an amenity.

At most, you could argue that access to education should be a right, but that only really applies to having the right to purchase education.

As a society, we've decided that public education is an important amenity for all, but it is not actually a right.

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If you're referring to Brown v. Board of Education, that showed that you can't discriminate against students by race (or separate them by race), but it does not state that education itself is a right.

 

only a moral of badwill toward men can erode respect for the law.

 

No I am not referring to that case. It came up in special education cases actually. The court ruled that EVERY child is entitled to a free and appropriate education and that this was his civil right.

 

Would you mind sharing that case (or the name)? I'm not aware of this one.

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That depends on what the basis of a law is. Plenty of laws have deplorable motivations.

 

why not? we have the best form of socialism, in the entire World.

 

In Mills v. Board of Education of District of Columbia, 348 F. Supp. 866 n a group of students labeled mentally retarded, emotionally disturbed, and hyperactive by DC public schools filed a civil action suit against DC public schools after being denied admission into the public school system without due process, as entitled to them within the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.[9] The courts reversed the school’s ruling and declared that all children, regardless of their physical, mental, or emotional disability within the District of Columbia were entitled to a free and publicly sanctioned education

 

yes; i guess each Case may need to be litigated severally, unless we can come up with an optimal solution.

 

This was a ruling by the United States District Court, District of Columbia, not the SCOTUS.

Being a federal ruling, it is still significant and led to some legislation afterward, but the ruling itself is rather problematic. It's essentially an unfunded mandate.

 

why can we still afford the boondoggle and generational form of theft, known as our War on Drugs?

 

You are correct. Here is one from SCOTUS.

Board of Ed. of Hendrick Hudson Central School Dist. v. Rowley 458 U.S. 176 (1982)
First decision in a special education case; defined "free appropriate public education."