Is evolution a religious belief?

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  1. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    How is a "religious belief" defined? I thought it was a belief with no evidence. Is that wrong?
     
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    What is the evidence for 'everything in the universe from nothing'? There are two models, one is 'In the beginning God..' the other is 'In the beginning nothing'. Whichever one you choose to believe in is your decision. They are both based on the super-natural.
     
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    Note how you fail to define the terms in your OP when asked directly.
     
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    "Religion" refers to a set of core beliefs upon which people base their lives. For Christians, religion includes all of logic plus the addition of faith.

    Formal definition:
    "The service and worship of God or the supernatural;"

    Functional definition:
    "A cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" By this definition, non-theistic belief systems such as atheism, humanism, and agnosticism could be considered religions. Indeed, the Supreme Court of the United States of America has acknowledged that "religion" does not need to include a belief in a god or gods, and included Secular Humanism as an example of a non-theistic religion.
     
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    Actually it does. The entire premise of the OP is based on a faulty assumption which equates religion to evolution so every part of the remaining OP discussing the Supreme Court's position on Religeon is irrelevant to a discussion of evolution. Either find Supreme Court rulings on evolution or change the OP to being about Religeon.

    A faulty spelling pales in comparison to faulty logic. Faulty spelling is just evidence of poor training while faulty logic is evidence of a poor intelligence.
     
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    So held to with faith rather than evidence? For example if my friend enters wet I guess it's raining. That's not a "religious belief" right?
     
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    we can see evolution in things like fruit flies and bacteria, so no, it's not a religion, it's verifiable fact
     
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    I made my case in support of the OP, can you make a case in opposition?

    And you may want to get a better spell checker or learn how to spell? Poor spelling hurts the perception by readers of an intelligent and informed writer.

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    What does the fruit fly and bacteria 'evolve' into?

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    Is it a super-natural event?
     
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    So you can't answer simple questions to explain your OP? Lame.
     
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    No, it doesn't in the slightest. You keep equivocating "biological evolution" with "cosmic evolution", but neither have anything to do with each other.

    As an aside, I will also point out that neither does cosmic evolution require belief in the supernatural. So, you are doubly wrong.

    Really? Name one (and provide at least one link to a scientifically peer reviewed article, or from a recognized scientific source).
     
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    Speed of light is a man-made concept, as such it is not real... but rather a fiction of the mind of man.
     
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    No you did not. You have made no case except the case that your logic is faulty.
     
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    FAIL.
    Since when does a wholly non religious belief become a religion? Especially a belief that has no deity, ritual, dogma become a religion. I suppose if one wishes to place religious belief in the same category as political belief, or racial belief, or even belief in society/cultural non-religious institutions, then I guess you would be correct. Fortunately, most people would consider that idiotic nonsense.


    Now there is a big fat nope. Science does not validate the genesis account to any such degree, despite the best efforts of creationism apologists such as yourself.

    I have yet to see much more than attempts to fit scientific evidence into wild arse interpetations to support a pre-conceived conclusion. The exact opposite of what science is all about.


    Oh, so belief in ghosts is a religion? belief that vampires exist is a religion? hardly.
     
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    That is what the OP topic is, evolution from origin to man. We aren't starting the race at the mid-point.


    Where did the time space and matter originate?

    So you want me to provide a paper reviewed by individuals from your side of the argument who agree with my side of the debate? I think I will require the same from you to prove your position.
    In that light, you must now provide evidence for your statements reviewed only by Creation scientists and nad must have been published in a Creation publication. Does that sound absurd to you?

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    The Captain is off topic, which is a common tactic to deflect from the embarrassment of not being able to defend their position.

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    That of course is your opinion. Do you have a defense or is that it?
     
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    FAIL?!?! Political beliefs do not require a belief in any super-natural event or being as evolution does. Reference the poll for "most people" or you are wrong again.

    It does, and you can check it for yourself, that is not the topic.

    If it is part of the whole belief system it would be.
     
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    I am not in a position to either deny or approve your assertion as I am still awaiting the response from "the Captain" which will hopefully allow me to make a determination of his intent and rationale.
     
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    First, evolution does not require belief in anything supernatural, event or entity.

    Second, political beliefs could easily require belief in a supernatural entity or event.

    Third, I have no poll, I expressed my sincere belief that most people can see such nonsense for what it is.


    It does, and you can check it for yourself, that is not the topic.



    But they are part of a whole belief system, since the individual that believes in such supernatural nonsense also has other belief within their whole system of beliefs.

    In your world, NON belief is a whole belief system unto itself. funny how only theists think that atheism is a religion, while atheists understand that not believing in something is simply not believing in something.
     
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    Where did time space, and matter come from? Who built it?

    Not true!
    Okay, you are entitled to your opinion, but not your facts.

    Do you understand the concept of a 'system'.

    It is still your belief​
     
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    why do you insist on conflating the theory of evolution with the Big bang theory?

    Despite repeatedly being informed you simply refuse to accept a simple and obvious fact..



    Oh? ever heard of Christian democrats? how about the KKK? to name just two of many.

    I am absolutely entitled to "my" facts. I believe you mean that I am not entitled to make up stuff in the absence of facts, but am entitled to express my opinion.



    Yes I do. but by your question it seems you do not.




    Yes it is my belief. But religioin is more than belief, it is faith, it is dogma and its requires a deity. I do not have faith in the absence of god, I have belief in the absence of a god. I am an agnostic atheist. Can you discern the sledgehammer of nuance here?

    your repeated use of this semantic argument is lame.
     
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    Cosmic evolution is required for the amoeba to to have someplace evolve into a man.

    Do you know what the term supernatural means? A KKK Democrat is an historical fact, BTW.



    A "deity" is not required according to the SCOTUS ruling. A belief in a supernatural event qualifies as a religious belief.
     
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    Man....you are the KING of clouding up a simple issue.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    It is too bad that your assignment of title does not bear the import of that which the Roman Empire placed on Jesus. Oh well... guess I will have to settle for some flattery as opposed to none at all.
     
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    No....the speed of light is 186,282 miles per second.

    By the way....unless you have become enlightened to the reality that Human Beings are NOT the only Space Faring Race in the Universe.....every CONCEPT is MAN MADE.

    However one day....soon....you will be educated to the reality that CONCEPTS...cannot be claimed as only privvy to Humanity.

    I really don't understand WHY....you are attempting to dismiss the speed of light being...as you state and I quote..."a fiction of the mind of man."...end Quote Incorp.

    Might I ask WHY you would say this?

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Did...did YOU just equate the importance of YOURSELF.....with the importance of Jesus??? LOL!!!

    YOU DID!!!

    WOW!!!

    And you think I have a big ego!! LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    No! I equated your authority of assignment of title to that of the Roman Empire, and yours fell far short of the mark of anything meaningful.
     
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