Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

No, it is that which does not spring from an egoic source. Reality always is. It isn’t divine cows or Jesus dying on a cross. It will always be, as it always was, and whatever idea you want to project on it, will only be reflected back at you.

It’s simply a matter of finding the concept that reflects Absolute Reality, based on how I described it above.

 

Of course intelligence has something to do with belief - how ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

With intelligence and experience one gains wisdom and insight. The smart ones learn to distinguish between what is Myth - Fantasy - and what is reality. This shift in energy you refer would then be "insight" .. or some such thing.

God and Santa are in the Fairy Tale department ... different sections perhaps - but same department.

 

Reality is subjective.
Nothing is as it always was.

The only constant in this world is change.

 

That's because they "didn't pray right". I've lost count how many times I've heard that one.

 

One’s quintessential and overarching ideas of life will reflect in his own experiences.

And what kind of intelligence are we talking about? Stuff you read in a textbook, or things that you perceive with the heart?

Perhaps, but it’s not like the alternatives aren’t in their own respective departments....

 

Reality is subjective if perceived through ego.

 

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There are many kinds of intelligence. I know a few Nuclear Physicists who are social idiots .. some are good inventors, some with languages, some are gifted at understanding people .. one of Trumps gifts. some with math .. logic.. poetry and so on.

My bar is understanding of the golden rule - and either you get it - or you don't.

Those that understand this rule - have not the need for religion - in the way that others do.

 

Religion is not rooted exclusively in moral ethical conduct.

 

Of course he is, at least if you follow Christian dogma.

Christians believe that God is all-powerful all-knowing ever present and completely benevolent.

They also believe that he created Lucifer, the source of all evil in Christian dogma, and because he is all-knowing he knew everything that Lucifer would do before creating him. Therefore he knowingly brought all evil into existence.

 

I didn't say it was - so why are you inferring otherwise - as a diversion to addressing the central argument on the table - because your thought avoidance button has been triggered.

I have your number ... got the tail of that poison lizard lurking deep in your soul ... doubt I will be able to extract it however .. such is an extremely difficult task.

 

One of the views (theologies, theories) is that evil is part of the natural state that exists in the absence of God.

Which one supposes could still make God, in some way, indirectly responsible for the existence of evil, since God is responsible for the existence of individual beings. However, there is also the theology (including theory) that, at some point in time, God is planning to get rid of those individual beings, along with the worst evils that exist, or that God will, at some time, put things into their proper order, so that even though evil could still exist, it will exist in a "proper" way (individuals getting what they deserve, or choosing to be in a place where they love inflicting evil on each other).

 

God allows evil to exist on earth, as it is the only way for evil to be eradicated once and for all before it enters Heaven. Evil will be openly shown and destroyed through the legal process known as the Final Judgment.

Law is basically a judgment on one's past deeds. God is not a fair God if He acts before one behaves.

 

The Creator is responsible to the same extent that highway construction is responsible for facilitating vehicle accidents and traffic violations.

Our world is a crude physical arrangement that is far from ideal, but it serves as an appropriate platform for propagation and refinement of souls.

Perhaps there are better worlds beyond this reality that are more ideal, but you must qualify and graduate from this one in order to find out what lies beyond. Most people are inclined to fall into the pitfalls of physical existence and get sent back to repeat in lower grades.

If there is a way out of this mess, progress can't be had by habitual recourse to a backward immature mindset. Adjustment to a better paradigm is more promising.

 

Gelecski,
Thanks for your comments and for your contribution to the
thread.

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Quote For Today:

“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such
times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to
decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
___J.R.R. Tolkien


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Its a minor point and you might not be interested in it.
But mainstream Christianity does not believe that
Lucifer is a reference to Satan.

Start quote.
Lucifer is a Latin name for the planet Venus in its morning appearances
and is often used for mythological and religious figures associated with
the planet. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances
of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a
fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld. Interpretations of a similar
term in the Hebrew Bible, translated in the King James Version as "Lucifer"
as a proper name, led to a Christian tradition of applying the name Lucifer,
and its associated stories of a fall from heaven, to Satan, but modern
scholarship generally translates the term in the relevant Bible passage,
as "morning star" or "shining one" rather than as a proper name, "Lucifer".
End quote.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

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Here is Isaiah 14:12 in the incorrectly translated King James Version:

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
___Isaiah 14:12 King James Version

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Here is Isaiah 14:12 in the correctly translated New International Version

"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have
been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
__Isaiah 14:12 New International Version

The context of Isaiah chapter 14 has nothing to do with Satan.

"Therefore he knowingly brought all evil into existence."___Daggdad

Maybe not.
JAG Wrote:
Alvin Plantinga's Free Will Defense {The Problem Of Evil}
(You'll have to scroll to the top.}
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...g-the-problem-of-evil.573658/#post-1071761768
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Actually most mainstream Christian denominations do believe that Lucifer is the given name of Satan.

However Jews do not. Lucifer was never actually part of the Bible or the Torah. Lucifer is actually a Greek world. It loosely translates to bringer of light. It was actually a translation of one of the Angels titles the morning Star.

In the old testament the angel that became known as Lucifer was the angel of judgement who kept the book of judgement, and was tasked with tempting and testing mankind, and judging their faith.

The Catholic Church took this and turned Lucifer into a evil being, but he was never supposed to be evil. P even is in heaven talking to God in the story of job, which contradicts the story of Lucifer's fall.

Even Satan in Judaism is more of a reference to evil and godlessness in general, and was not supposed to represent a literal being. And there is also no hell in Judaism. the concept of hell was created by Christians in order to frightened Vikings and other followers of the Norse religion into converting to Christianity. The concept comes from the Norse goddess of torture, Hel, who lives in a realm of fire and torment, and takes the souls of all the Vikings who did not die in battle.
In Judaism the punishment for sin is separation from God you just don't get to go to God when you die.

 

The most extensive writing about Satan in the OT is in Job. What is interesting - as per what you are stating - is that Satan is not cast as being God's enemy or Evil. Satan is depicted as one of God's sons - and the interaction between the two is like that of Father and son.

Satan does not act outside of God's will. God puts rules in place - and Satan abides by those rules.

 

Because you think the “golden rule” is sufficient....

 

Yes.

Of course, he is. Who else would be? Have you got some other candidate? No. There's your answer. It even says so in the bible. "Creator of heaven and earth".

 

Man, specifically woman. That's also in the Bible.

 

I do.
Human beings aka Mankind.

Man's Free Will is responsible for all the evil in the would.
God created a perfect world.
God created perfect human beings.
God gave human beings a Free Will.
Human beings used their Free Will to choose to do evil.
Human beings choosing to do evil is the reason we have
evil in the world. It was not God that made Charles Manson
choose to murder people --it was Charles Manson that chose
to do that.

Bob: Your Honor, Its true that I robbed a bank and killed
a teller, but God made me do that.

The Judge: Oh okay. I see what you mean. Case dismissed.

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Alvin Plantinga's Free Will Defense Regarding The Problem Of Evil
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...defense-regarding-the-problem-of-evil.573658/
You'll have to scroll to the top of the thread -- the link is acting up.
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Sufficient for what - has your tongue lost its way ?

 

Actually they use the bible to prove it. Do you believe the bible? Or just the parts you like!

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

It looks to me that the two of you have answered the question without me. Humans are god's creation and they are PERFECT so evil is not god's only "fault" .... but that's the way he wants it.