Is healthcare a "right?"

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong!

    There is no such statement to that effect in the link provided!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Ever heard of UNENUMERATED rights that are STIPULATED in the Constitution and cannot be denied?
     
  3. Vegas giants

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    Wrong. Free and appropriate education is affirmed as a right by several scotus decisions.

    You can clear this up.


    You can name a child denied a public education for failure to pay.


    I'll wait
     
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    What does the f stand for in FAPE? Lol
     
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    It's from 1973. It does not even matter
     
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    There is about $60 to $90 billion in fraud in both systems. Medicare has about $45 million insured, even if you take the low number that's about $1,350 in fraud per person per year. When they can get that number down to under $100, we'll talk about it.
     
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    You do not even consider a possibility that number of providers and hospitals should be increased, even though it is a most logical and efficient way to improve access to individualized care that is (more efficient more effective and more humane) FOR EVERYONE, not only for those who is chosen by the government. Your concern is whether the industries (mostly artificial) will be able to make living, regardless how many people would die in the process of making those livings. Yes, I am prevented from earning double profit due to competition on the market. Health Care industry on the other hand has no competition, they just suck money from people without any limitations and killing them in the process.
     
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    Yes, the current program should be abolished because it is genuinely corrupt. It is corrupt because people pay to the system but get nothing in return other then promises.
    Medicare for all is a simple answer, you pay taxes you get Medicare, that it. It has nothing to do with socialism.
     
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    Currently public system can be used only after no money left on the accounts.
     
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    I can explain it to you (and I have), but I can't understand it for you. Will you be protesting today to demand frre water fountains in each and every school? For the children, I mean.

    Next up from Vegas" "We demand free air!!"

    On edit: no one denies that public education is tuition free. Who specifically are you trying to argue with?
     
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    Well, you finally got something right, LOL.
     
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    I also can't name a child who is denied free air and a fire department. You got me there!
     
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    No. If the majority in Congress ever realizes that Medicare and ss are on an unsustainable path, and they are, then of course benefits should be cut, at least for the upper middle class. If you're 97 years old and "need" a heart transplant, you'll have to do without, unless you pay for it yourself.

    What other things do you require the rest of us to pay for?
     
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    What are you talking about? Sure lets see someone run on getting rid of Medicare even for those already on it who have paid into it all their working life. You don't seem the get it, there will be no Medicare if you put everyone in it. And BTW support for Medicare for all is dropping.

    Voters are souring on 'Medicare for all'

    If somebody offered you a sandwich for free, you’d probably take it. $10? You might take it, if it was really good. $30? No thanks.

    Voters are beginning to do similar cost-benefit analysis on Medicare for all, the Democratic plan for universal health care that’s sure to be a top campaign issue in 2020. In a January Morning Consult poll, 56% of respondents said they support Medicare for all, while 29% opposed it. Less than a month later, support fell to 50% while opposition rose to 38%.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vote...-180225270.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_14
     
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    No, I think I'll wait. You keep claiming the Supreme Court has reaffirmed the "right" to free education in a "dozen" different cases. I can't see where you cited any. If you do, try to read it first and understand whether they are making the grandiose, sweeping claim you are making, or instead are saying something like "denial of benefits under this section runs counter to the plain language of the statute."

    I'll wait.
     
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    What several SCOTUS decisions affirmed the states have to provide a free and appropriate education as a right?
     
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    You guys clamoring for an end to private insurance are forgetting one thing. If we start telling doctors how much they can charge, and who they must treat, what do you think the doctors and potential trial med students are going to say? How would you feel about the government stepping in to your own industry and deciding what takes you have to perform and how much you can be paid?

    You sound like a bunch of commies, when you get down to it.
     
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    . What you are saying is nothing is free
     
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    It’s so funny that you use the word communism. I just went to a symposium on current events and they were talking about how the right wingers are using the word socialists as though it’s a bad word. I commented that so they will be calling it communism because they aren’t smart enough to know the differences. That’s why they are so easy to manipulate by fear
     
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    Why does anyone think anyone gets a free education? We all pay for they education through taxes.
    Of course not, since we’ve already paid for it via property taxes
     
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    So what if it costs you more?
     
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    It's the wrong question. The right question is this: Can you ROB or ENSLAVE another person to provide low or no cost anything to someone else? The anything can be health care or food or housing or helicopters.
     
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    I admit I am afraid of collectivists like you. Because you're all about control.

    There's a book you need to read. It's called 1984. Then read the history of post -revolutionary China, the USSR, East Germany Cuba, and North Korea, and then tell me 1984 was just a scary book
     
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    He can, yes, and he will, unless you oppose him with equal or superior force.
     
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    It is a bad word. Liberty is a good word.
     
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