Is it moral for God to punish us?

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  1. Robert

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    How can you transform energy into a ton of gold?
     
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    There is a dictionary definition for omnipotence but your non answers say volumes about your inability to defend your position.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    For the answer to that question you would need to know how the heavier elements are formed inside of dying stars, specifically supernovas when it comes to gold.

    http://sciencelearn.org.nz/Contexts...ce-Ideas-and-Concepts/How-elements-are-formed

     
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    I have, when will you?
     
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    First of all this link explains the historical context of the situation.

    http://christianthinktank.com/sticksnstones.html

    Secondly, you're exaggerating about things like fighting a fire. The Bible allows for emergency work on the sabbath. And thirdly where in the Bible does it say that if you eat a bloody steak you'll be executed?
     
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    Oh, so that's what you're talking about. Yes, sin was in heaven and that's why God had to cast them out.

    Then why do we have life without parol? Hellis equivalent to that.

    Because he wants to give you the chance to choose him.

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    No, we did through our own chioces.
     
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    So, sin was once in heaven, it could happen again. And God knew, being omniscient, sin was going to happen in heaven, and whether it will happen again.

    LOL. So it's not an eternal fire pit or lake of fire?
    Just a place where you will be restricted in freedom?
    That's not what most of christianity says.

    No one can ever choose anything different than what God already knows. It's impossible with an omniscient God.
     
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    Congratulations, you took off the rose colored glasses of common sense to start believing in a mythical god that sanctions slavery, mass murder and mass rape. That the world was flooded and a guy built a huge boat for all the species alive today. That a guy offered his two daughters to be raped by a crowd, then got drunk impregnating both of them, was the only moral man in the town. To believe millions traveled in circles in a desert being magically fed for 40 years. That a virgin can get pregnant. A donkey can talk. That a sea was parted. That there's a deserved neverending fiery torture for those who don't believe this nonsense. And that a guy walked on water and flew away to a heaven.
     
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    Chemistry. one of a class of substances that cannot be separated into simpler substances by chemical means. See also chart under periodic table.
    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/element

    Can energy create any element?
     
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    Ok, let's try this another way.

    Did mankind "create" sin?

    If that is the case then mankind must be equal to god because "creating" something like sin has had an enormous impact throughout history.

    So is that your position that man created sin and is therefore the equal of god?
     
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    Actually it was man and the angels. But man created a lot of things. It created the car, the computer you're seeing this post on, the highway you drove to work on, and many other things and all of those greatly affect human history. It's been said that without the mechanization of mankind wars like WW2 would've been near impossible to acomplish to the scale that we now see. So your logic is faulty.
     
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    Yes.

    No it's a place of torment but my point is just as we punish people for life over an act that only took a minute or so to complete, hell is punishing us for the lifestyle we chose to live out.

    True however that doesn't negate our free will.

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    No, I've too ken off the rose colored glasses and realized just how wretched of a man I am and how loving our God is to give me the gift of salvation.
     
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