Is it time to invade North Korea?

Russia isn't going to do anything, and Red China is all bluff; they will make some face-saving tripe up, but they would be glad to get rid of the idiot frankenstein they created.

 

Why on Earth would anybody want the UN involved??? lol they're worthless. Just saw that in the poll., and cracked up.

 

I guess I describe myself as a military conservative. But in this situation, I don't think military intervention is the best option. It is true, MAD is a serious issue and deterrence works to keep peace. In addition, their existence is keeping some stability in the region, because the ideological issue with communism (yuck, I know ) would make a war be more like Vietnam than anything.

And yea, Red China as Strasser said is a serious concern and we all know Russia is still kinda communist which would also make our situation a bit sticky. While Russia is not the Soviet Union anymore, we still have to fight communism from China and, of course, North Korea.

 

So you'd rather kill 25 Million North Koreans, instead of a few thousand in a pre-emptive strike...got it.

 

Yep. You got it. LOL.

 

I have not heard anybody wanting to occupy NK. Just the removal of the regime and nuclear capability is all I've heard.

 

You do possess an interesting kind of mental agility, Alek, but I'm afraid you've missed the point of this whole schauspiel if you think it's all about mere "chest beating".

The Kim creature is in actual POSSESSION of both nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. He claims to be able to hit South Korea and Japan (as you know), and furthermore has demonstrated that he can launch missiles from NK submarines. The man is a very real THREAT, Alek! I'm surprised that you don't come out and advocate preemptive strikes against NK, if you're so worried about what he'll do to Seoul and Tokyo...(?).

But we've already seen that the Left just wants to use this mounting "Mexican standoff" in its tedious, sniping attempts to say something hateful about Trump (and I'm not a big Trump defender, frankly). But, consider -- it was the insensate, bungling negligence of all three of the previous American presidents that allowed the Kim creature to develop this offensive potential while using it as blackmail to get what NK needs from the world. I'm not overly partisan, Alek -- the negligence of two Democrat presidents and one Republican have brought this on us.

Bill Clinton should have known better... he was the smartest of these three presidents. "W" Bush allowed himself to become too enveloped in the twin debacles of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama? No understanding of, or expertise in dealing with any foreign policy issues AT ALL. In short, when challenged to be anything other than a house-pet for the Federal Reserve System's central bankers, he was an abysmal failure who f*cked-up everything he touched, including the next big looming disaster we'll face -- an Iran with nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

Thanks to the absent-minded negligence of Bill Clinton, "W" Bush, and Barack Obama, it may be too late to save the "millions" you worry so about in North Korea. Or would you rather wake up one morning and find out that we don't have a Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, or San Diego anymore...? Just so that we're clear, I'd rather kill everyone and everything in North Korea before I would stand by and watch that happen to us....

 

If ground troops go in they will occupy ground in NK. If the regime, with its nuclear capability and all the artillery targeting Seoul can be removed without sending in ground troops it will be an historic accomplishment.

There had better be a plan B and C.

 

Can you please tell me WHY you think Un wants to nuke those cities? I mean do you think he has fantasies of a triumphant march down Pennsylvania Avenue or what? And do you advocate we threaten Russia, China, Pakistan and India as well? for they all have nuclear capability and they all have threatened us at one point or another?

Un is not threatening us, not in actuality (all his statements say only that NK will respond if attacked, nothing more) nor even by implication, his remarks are for his own people, to make them scared of us and so loyal to him. It's the exact same situation as with the Iranians. I can understand how they get THEIR people to believe this, they are inundated with propaganda from a totally controlled media and besides, our destroying them is a feasible proposition, but how they get so many of US to believe they are all obsessed with national suicide is beyond me.

 

Why do I think Kim (in the Orient, the "first" name is actually what we think of as the "last" name) wants to destroy the United States? Well, we could get that idea from this latest pronouncement, among many, many others: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3370099/north-korea-threatens-us-preemptive-strike/ . Did you notice the word, "PREEMPTIVE"...?

Please remember, as you already said, that despotic leaders like Kim DO "get THEIR people to believe this". You are right when you observe, "they are inundated with propaganda from a totally controlled media". Hitler had a large, vital segment of the German people primed and ready for war because of expert use of propaganda and exclusive use of the media.

Does Kim have fantasies about "marching down Pennsylvania Avenue"? I don't care about Kim's fantasies... I care only about what this delusional maniac can actually do with nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles. And I'm not willing to continue on in the manner of Bill Clinton, "W" Bush, and Barack Obama by simply ignoring this dangerous little North Korean pustule....

 

Funny how the farther away from the guns, rockets and missiles one is the easier it is to say "invade" or "bomb" the nutbar.

Invading NK would lead to millions of dead South Koreans. Dead within the first hour or two of the war.

 

And if Kim makes good on his threat to launch a PREEMPTIVE ATTACK, would that reduce the South Korean casualty count...? Or, if he does have a submarine parked off the American West Coast that actually could put a nuke on one of the nearby cities and turn part of it to "ashes", should we wait to see just how bad it would or wouldn't be...?

Were you paying attention? I was: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3370099/north-korea-threatens-us-preemptive-strike/

So, evidently, was Vladimir Putin, the world's foremost 'chess-master' in a world leadership role. Always watch Putin, because he is, by far, the smartest, most experienced, most powerful leader today:

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-repo...ters-toward-north-korean-border/28443562.html

And remember, Putin was recently named most powerful person in the world, for the fourth year in a row by Forbes:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davide...orlds-most-powerful-people-2016/#23b2f6d81b4c

Many of the rest of the world's "leaders" are puppets and stooges of 'shadow-governments' (usually central banker cartels). Putin isn't! So, when someone like Putin makes a serious move, that's the thing to take notice of!

Also, the FOURTH most-powerful person in the world today, the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, is sending more than 150,000 Chinese military personnel to the North Korean border. Something is UP.... But you probably won't hear a word about any of this on American "mainstream media". .

 

Well what the hell else can he threaten? Give trump's braggadoccio ya gotta believe the US is a direct existential threat to Kim and the gang which does nothing but reinforce in their puny minds the essential nature of acquiring weapons of "last mass resort".

Facts are facts no matter how much air they blow up kim's arse. There is absolutely no way that NK can sustain any kind major field operations for their armies. They got lots of guns and ammo, but precious little fuel, command and communications technology, with pitiful armor and a laughable airforce. Like I said, if there was a war, there would be millions of south koreans dead within the first couple of hours, either way. Any pre-emptive strike by the US would have DEVASTATING results and you can bet Trump's America will be blamed for it all after the inevitable genocidal American "victory".

 

I agree with everything you've said, and it would never even occur to me to suggest a total military takedown of NK if it weren't for two things: Kim has nuclear weapons and he's got ballistic missiles to deliver them with. Those are definite 'game-changers'.

We don't KNOW if he's insane enough to use these weapons, and none of us with any sense dares to gamble on it.... No, none of us WANTS anybody to be killed. But we simply cannot gamble with weapons like this in Kim's hands. Frankly, I feel that the very same thing will be true when the loonie-tunes Iranian religious theocracy ALSO gets nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them with (thanks, Obama!)....

 

An invasion of N. Korea sounds like something which would quickly devolve into guerrilla war. You have people who were raised since birth to believe in godlike myths about the Kim's and that the "Yankees" were these evil subhumans who enslaved S. Korea and massacred women and children during the Korean War. It would be equivalent to Operation Downfall during World War II.

 

Oh okay then we need to nuke them... j/k.

 

Sarcasm aside, a better alternative would be to fund disgruntled members and factions inside N. Korea (if possible) and initiate a coup. It seems we'd be able to find at least one Beria in the North's bureau.

 

I am fine with an invasion of North Korea as long as trump's kids and the kids of all politicians that support it go and lead the way

 

Totally false. Remember the Battle of Britain? No war has ever been won by simply bombing them to smithereens. In most cases, it just hardens their resolve.

 

Obama warned Trump that Korea would be his greatest challenge, and Obama was right. There is no easy answer. If there was it would already be found. N Korea has a large, modern, effective, highly trained army. Any aerial strike by the U.S. would elicit an immediate response by N Korea against S Korea, and we would be responsible for re-igniting the Korean War after a 64 year cease fire. Once we're engaged and focused on Korea, that weakens our ability to protect other significant areas of the globe, and opens ourselves to other enemies anxious to take advantage while we're distracted. A Korean War would be a nasty undertaking, and I'd advise continuing to pursue diplomatic solutions.

 

I wonder what the gun crime figures are in NK, and what the numbers are for psycho-murders and paedophilia. Hold that thought?

 

I am sure there are multiple plans in the works for NK.

 

One of them should be an early use of nuclear weapons.

 

Argue with Gen.Schwarzkopf not me..
Remember there were no "smart" bombs in WW2, so they had to try to do it with sloppy carpet bombing, but nowadays we can put guided bombs and missiles through a power station window dead easy and black out a whole city, including it's factory machinery which relies on electricity.

 

WTF?