Is King David raised up for the Jewish people decades before Jesus returns?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is King David raised up for the Jewish people a significant amount of time previous to when the feet of Messiah stand on the Mt. of Olives in fulfillment of Zechariah chapter 14?

    It is pretty obvious that Jesus/Yahushua expects us to believe in the specific fulfillment of the words of the prophets.

    "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:" (Luke 24:25)

    "But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." (Jeremiah 30:9)

    It is relevant that Jesus/Yahushua clearly identified John the Baptist as a modern Elijah for his time period. Has King David already reincarnated in our time period....or will he certainly do so in the very near future????

    "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
    And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
    But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not,....
    Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:10-13)

    Isaiah speaks about a King Cyrus type of person who was instrumental in assisting the Jewish people to rebuild the second temple to which Jesus/Yahushua came. King Cyrus was a gentile or possibly a member of the lost tribes of Israel, and did not actually know the God of Abraham very well at all.

    "Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
    I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
    And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
    For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
    I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" (Isaiah 45:1-5)

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm03.html

     
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    Reincarnated?

    Is david a buddha?

    Each life procreating for the next generation to be born, is a literal 'reincarnation'. That means, YOU could be of the 'bloodlines'

    But Jesus sure wasnt, per Matt 1

    Please show an example of elias, restoring 'all things'
    That's a lousy restoration!
    But the 'temple' was destroyed, so i guess jesus didnt have what was promised; the last word!
    funny, have you every been to 'the temple'?

    Tell us if there are gates, fences, and guns pointing at you at just about every corner?
    Are you just pointing out what proves that Jesus was not messiah?
    no wonder; you are quoting the prophets. And Jesus never did any of that.



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    I am no expert but the question has crossed my mind if what the Hindus or Buddhists term Buddha Consciousness would be termed Moshiach Consciousness by a Jewish scholar or Mystic!!!
     
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    Here is the scoop on the buddha train;

    A child is taught early, given everything they could want and have no needs. He matures, learns during his life, then writes with the combining of the current knowledge and with the old had left. That is how the wisdom, knowledge and path of the 'chosen' buddha furthers the understanding.

    But the dude that is a the messofaman, chose to do the work, versus chosen too.

    The dalai already knows that he is the last of his chain, to be called the lama.
     
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    who cares.

    here's a tip. if you happen to be of anglo-celtic origins, why not spend as much time and energy on your own history as you appear to spend on tge history of some obscure bronze age goat herders on the other side of the world. balance is good for the 'soul'
     
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    Good point!!!!!

    http://www.britam.org/messiah.html

    MOSHIACH BEN YOSEPH


    by Yair Davidiy



     
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    Bishadi......I get the impression that you have already probably looked into the Dr. Ian Steven research or some of the similar types of studies.

    Am I correct that you are rather impressed with the whole idea of our soul/spirit/angel being sent back over and over again????

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html


     
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    Well.....there are 40 million or so descendants of the lost tribes of Israel living in Nigeria alone......so if the work of the final King David type corresponds with the work of the predicted final Elijah.........then these people are eagerly awaiting the RESTORATION OF THE LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL!!!!

    http://www.igboisrael.com/node/1

    - See more at: http://www.igboisrael.com/node/1#sthash.Meg14URE.dpuf
     
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    Here is a book that we Christians kind of grabbed from the Jewish people......this part about the restoration of the lost tribes of Israel.....makes the topic of the raising up of a modern King DAvid and/or reincarnation of a modern King David......relevant to a massive number of people who are descended from the lost tribes of Israel.......whether or not they recognize their ancestry is another topic altogether!!!!

    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm
    [1] And Elias the prophet stood up, as a fire, and his word burnt like a torch.............Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob.
     
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    Could this be an example of "having a form of faith, but denying its power", that Paul talked about?
     
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    Yes.........I am a Christian who is genuinely worried that the fulfillment of Zechariah 14 where the feet of Messiah somehow stand on the Mt. of Olives will not occur until AFTER we Christians admit that Ezekiel came in the name of the LORD.....and was blessed....and his words in Ezekiel chapter 40 - 48 were indeed inspired????!!!!

    On the other hand timing is important and I suspect that Christians cannot fulfill the Cyrus prophecies until after 2030.....the 2000 year anniversary of the death, burial and resurrection of Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua??????!!!!
     
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    I think that it could be extremely significant that in Isaiah 66......there is an intriguing progression of events.....

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=66&v=1&t=KJV#top
    Isa 66:5 ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
    Isa 66:6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies."

    Could it be that this verse cannot be fulfilled until AFTER the Jerusalem Third Temple complex is constructed?????!!!!

    How can the voice be heard from the TEMPLE......before the Temple is constructed?????!!!
     
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    nope

    nope.

    The spirit is the em (light). Every cell, every molecule, and even the consciousness itself, is light. Nothing magical about it.

    It's just natures 'life'.

    ie... god is nature itself.

    Living forever is based on what you do within this embodiment of 'nature' (gods body).

    There is no such thing as a floating spirirt thing that fairies up or down to som uttttttter place. When a life is 'reincarnated' it is born into another by what you do. Like causing a splash on a pond or like mentioned above, or even to birth a child.

    Dont believe the BS, because it aint what is real.
     
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    Ouch, that's about me

    The "name" is what I have upon the head (between the ears).

    Be happy

    And the idiots, will be ashamed, for believing the bs of the liars

    Jerusalam aint sion. It is the 'gate of god' (babilu), which has 'tel megiddo' (the hill = dome of the rock/holy of holies), that the three religions of abraham (3 horns) are fighting over.

    Dan 7;8 `I was considering about the horns, and lo, another horn, a little one, hath come up between them, and three of the first horns have been eradicated from before it, and lo, eyes as the eyes of man [are] in this horn, and a mouth speaking great things.


    guess who
     
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    You write as if you may have had an out of the body experience or near death experience?

    Did you ever have an OBE or NDE?

    I love the one were former atheist Ms. Beverly Brodsky has all her questions answered.

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism02.html
     
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    Getting our heads around the idea that the Supreme Creator of the Universe is in a sense the owner and producer of the studio and that we are like actors playing our role here under the sun......and that each person that we meet is like a test for us.....and a teacher for us.......is a concept that can sure alter our view of what life is all about.....and thus....yes....we can be truly happy and even come to the place where life on this earth is quite "heavenly!!!"
     
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    big fat furry deal. the Druids in Wales once eagerly awaited the restoration of their lands and culture after it was crash-tackled by the Romans. some pre Roman Britons practiced human sacrifice. the Vikings had intersting gods. the french (Normans) were bossy.
     
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    Well....if the scholarship of Orthodox Jewish historian Yair Davidiy is close to being accurate the Irish are partly descended from the lost tribe of Dan and the kings of Ireland are partly descended from the half tribe of Judah through Zerah????!!!

    http://britam.org/dan.html


     
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    A Christian is in Christ and worry should never cross his/her mind. God will fullfil Zecheriah, Ezekial, and every other jot and tittle in the word of God in his timing, not ours. Christians are not enpowered to fullfil anything ever.
     
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    I would not think so. God has many mysteries.
     
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    Back in 1979 I was at a Messianic Gentile Festival of TAbernacles in P. E. I. and a sermon was given on how perhaps the first Elijah had had an opportunity to at the minimum
    delay......if not permanently postpone the captivity of the Northern Kingdom of Israel but it depended on Elijah NOT running away to Mt. Horeb but instead meeting Queen Jezebel
    and her armies???!!!

    Why else would G-d ask Elijah what he was doing there at Mt. Carmel?????!!

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Ki&c=19&v=1&t=KJV#top

    1Ki 19:2 Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do [to me], and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by to morrow about this time........And when he saw [that], he arose, and went for his life, and came to Beersheba, which [belongeth] to Judah, and left his servant there.But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I [am] not better than my fathers........

    1Ki 19:9 ¶ And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD [came] to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
    1Ki 19:13 And it was [so], when Elijah heard [it], that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, [there came] a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?.....


    ........This idea of the decisions by somebody who has attained a high level of consciousness being able to alter the future of the earth fits perfectly with what is being shown to people who have a near death experience.


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research32.html#a03

    The NDE and the Future
    Kevin Williams' Research Conclusions

    .....

     
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    With respect, without seeing the text or hearing the sermon I would be hard pressed to comment on that. But on the serface I would have to say that is wrong teaching as it does not line up with the Word of God, which is the only reliable measure that we can use. Near Death Experiences are highly suspect at best, and outright spiritual deception at worst, especially in regard to the article you posted. God has described what will happen, and we are hurtling toward that prophecy at break neck speed. I am not easily taken in by deception.
     
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    So what do you think of the NDE of Dr. Richard Eby where Messiah Jesus/Yeshua showed him four separate dimensions of space time?

    http://www.near-death.com/ritchie.html#a04

    If you ask me this account reminds me very much of the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man????!
     
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    It is 100% pure grade "A" deception. I would not believe a word of it, nor would I waste any time thinking about it, much less posting that drivel as something real for athers to consider.
     
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    So then you have little interest in this explanation of how the difference in the way that time is viewed in the spirit realm explains many of the seeming contradictions in Christian doctrines?


    Near Death Revelations on the Confusion About the Rapture of the Church - Buck Stephens - Secrets of a Supernatural World
    http://buckstephens.typepad.com/blo...onfusion-about-the-rapture-of-the-church.html




     

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