Is that pork? Alcohol? Sorry, sir, you have to see another cashier.

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  1. samiam5211

    samiam5211 New Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, I didn't realize that people in Oklahoma cared so much about British consumers having to stand in line a few extra minutes.

    Just kidding, I still think people are upset over this because they are prejudiced agaist muslims.
     
  2. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do Moslems apply for a jobs where they know they'll be asked to handle pork and alcohol?

    The analogy here would be for a Christian doctor to apply to Planned Parenthood and then refuse to perform abortions.

    Get it?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I freely admit I do not much care for these types of Muslim, any more than I like a Jehovah witness knocking on my door.
    They are free to believe whatever they want in this country...right up to the point it begins to effect others adversely.

    Interrupting my peace to tell me I'm going to hell is no more acceptable than refusing to touch and sell me my bacon.... both of these things are insulting and based on imaginary ignorance.
     
  4. samiam5211

    samiam5211 New Member Past Donor

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    Except the employer has ALREADY accomadated these employees. People with prejudices agaisnt Muslims are the only ones butt hurt over this.

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    Being insulted over someone not wanting to touch your bacon is as silly as not wanting to touch bacon.

    You are free to shop at an establishment that hasn't already determined accomodating the religious beliefs of it's employees is important.
     
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    I can only speak for myself, but the religion of these employees is of no importance to me. I can not apply to a job that doesn't match my qualification, so when I don't want to or can not handle a product, I can't work in a store that sells this product. That's why vegetarians don't work at the butcher's.
    Even disabled people have to find work they are suited to do, and they are protected by anti-discrimination laws.
     
  6. samiam5211

    samiam5211 New Member Past Donor

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    Right, but as I and others have stated, often people under 21 work in stores that sell alcohol and require another person to perform that transaction, because their employer has made that accomodation for them.

    Here, the employer has made a similiar accomodation.

    The problem here should be with the employer making the accomodation, but people seem eager to focus on the employee's religion instead.
     
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    Plenty of inflammatory bigotry to go around in this thread. How do the objectors deal with the Christian who screws up the shift rotas by refusing to work Sundays? Their colleagues have to pick up their slack. It's the same policy as the Muslim/alcohol one.Picket the stores?
     
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    I think all religions are silly, but I think that employers should ALWAYS make an effort to accomodate the religious beliefs of their employees whenever practical.

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    I think all religions are silly, but I think that employers should ALWAYS make an effort to accomodate the religious beliefs of their employees whenever practical.
     
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    Yes, I think that's dumb, too. Minors have no business working in a store that sells booze.

    Then we don't disagree that much.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is NO except. Why are the employers bending over backwards to accommodate moslems whim requests that they would not do for Christians? Again, would Christian doctor who refuses to perform abortions be employed by the Planned Parenthood?
     
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    We can assume that M&S would grant Christians the same accomodations if necessary.
    Planned Parenthood just hasn't that kind of "store policy".
     
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    samiam5211 New Member Past Donor

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    You just don't like muslims.
     
  13. Stuart Wolfe

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    About the same way a place works around the schedules of the college students working there. It wasn't too difficult to work full-time at Carl's Jr. so long as they kept my Mondays and Wednesdays completely free for me to head off to the university - and there were others that had different limitations, the working moms who couldn't work tuesday and thursday mornings because that was when their sitters were off, stuff like that. You're seriously saying the scheduler at this store can't do the same work a fast-food joint scheduler does?

    Your argument is so weak, it couldn't bend a wet noodle. Try again.
     
  14. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would it make for an interesting discussion if on your every post concerning Jews I'd reply "You just don't like Jews"?

    You're not debater, sir.
     
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    What an asinine comparison.

    Refusing to service a customer - they must go to another line altogether - is an issue affecting the public face of the company - between customer and employee - whereas you're using an example that is a private matter between the company and employee.
     
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    Surely you're not suggesting that a private company cannot make business decisions based on the religious preferences of their employees......are you?
     
  17. samiam5211

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    I don't claim to be a debater, but I determined that your post warranted the response I posted.

    Your point had already been discounted several times by posts I and others had made, if you didn't agree, there wasn't any point in repeating my point, because as I said before:

    You just don't like muslims.
     
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    Hey I want them to blend in but it doesn't always happen , it my opinon there is no difference waiting for an approval for an underaged worker or someone who cannot ring up booze because of their faith
     
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    Also, I am not sure which post concerning Jews you are speaking of.
     
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    Or not? They are unwilling to perform the job, there is little reason to hire them.
     
  21. Stuart Wolfe

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    That's not my only point, if you read my posts in this thread.

    But pretty much everyone who has a problem with this is prejudiced against muslims.

    I don't care if you call it a race card. It's true.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I like muslims just fine, I ate ton of spare ribs with them and they drunk me under the table more times, than my non-muslim acquaintances. I just don't like it when they start bashing each other heads in my presence :)
     
  24. Stuart Wolfe

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    No, the point is - well, let's say one day that there's two checkout lines available, and both the cashiers are Muslim. A customer walks up with a package of bacon. Now what? The store just reamed itself out of a sale.

    This is essentially telling the customer that they are to put the store employees first. It's supposed to work the other way around. Not a good business model.
     
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    You think the store hasn't thought about that?

    It's just like, as I've said several times already in this thread, when a store hires someone under 21 and they have to get someone else to check out a customer purchasing alcohol.

    The store has already made the decision to accomodate it's employee.

    The only reason we have so many people so concerned about customers having to wait in a store that is thousands of miles away (for most of us), is because of a prejudice against muslims.

    Even if you don't like the decision of the employeer to accomodate their employees in this way, your problem is with the EMPLOYER, not the EMPLOYEE.

    People just don't like it because they don't like muslims.

    Go ahead and respond with a little skit involving pat sayjack and vanna white solving a wheel puzzle where the answer is the race card.
     

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