Is the 'right to bear arms' unlimited?

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  1. Siskie

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    Oh, you like precedent. Cool. Did you know blue states are ignoring federal law by legalizing weed in their states and refusing to enforce it as well as federal immigration law. I figure since you like precedent so much, you won’t have a problem with red states ignoring a Dem federal ban on assault weapons, legalizing them in their states and refusing to enforce it.
     
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    I didn’t know weed was a firearm.
     
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    Does not matter. If one side gets to ignore federal laws they don’t like, then the other side gets to as well. Womp Womp.
     
  4. CCitizen

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    Almost all guns are used for is

    1) Hunting
    2) Homicide
    3) Suicide
     
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    no the right is not absolute there are some forms of speech that are not legal. Rights can't be absolute.
    The right to keep in bear arms is limited by what arms you can keep and bear not what you can do with them.
     
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    The only limits you should have on the rights are when using your right interferes with the rights of others. For instance having a nuclear weapon. Radioactive isotopes are extremely dangerous to anyone in proximity.

    But as far as automatic rifles and so forth we should be allowed to have those because aside from one trigger pull around what's the difference between that and a semi-automatic weapon?
     
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    Limits on actions that lie outside the right to (x) are not limitations on the right to (x).
    I'm not sure how you do not understand this.
    Nonsense. "Bear" is a verb.
     
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    the right having an outside is the limit. The fact that the rights are not absolute means that they're limited.
    Nothing in the Second Amendment right says anything about murder. It wouldn't be legitimate to say that that's a limitation on the right because it has nothing to do with it.
     
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    Actually, target shooting is the number one use, with competition likely just behind hunting. Even the virulently antigun David Hememway of Harvard acknowleges more DGUs than the number of homicides and suicides each year.

    "Lower-end estimates include that by David Hemenway, a professor of Health Policy at the Harvard School of Public Health, which estimated approximately 55,000–80,000 such uses each year.[8][9]"

    https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Defensive_gun_use
     
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    Well now isn't that a misleading graph. And exemplifies the saying "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.". Your graph shows Japan with zero suicide rate. Because all it does is focus on suicides where a person uses a gun. In reality however Japan has a higher rate of suicide than the US does. Japan's rate is 18.5 while the US is 15.3. Same goes for S. Korea which has a suicide rate of 26.9. There are other countries on your graph which has a higher overall rate of suicide than the US also.

    Link: Suicide rate by country
     
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    Let’s be straight. State and local law enforcement are not obligated to enforce all federal immigration laws. Only federal law enforcement has the resources to do it. If the feds want to swear out a warrant for an arrest for a particular individual, there are no states that will not assist in the arrest. But, to expect states and local authorities to enforce federal laws in general on their own, is a ridiculous right wing overreach wish,

    The exact is true for marijuana. If state laws contradict the use of marijuana, states are not obligated to enforce federal laws that oppose state laws. It’s up to the feds to issue federal warrants for weed use.

    It’s laughable to hear righties complain about violations of federal laws when they are in charge of the administration.
     
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    Ha ha
    What does that have to do with gun laws vs
    gun violence in industrialized countries in democracies.

    At least mine is a concise accurate list. You guys want to include your right wing fascist dictatorship buddies.
     
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    And we can do the same with any gun control; assuming you can get it to survive a 6-3 pro gun court. Good luck with that.
     
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    1: It shows that violence is going to happen regardless of tool used. Focusing on tools used does nothing to fix the underlying problems that cause suicides or murders.
    2: I only pointed out those countries that were on your graph. None of which is fascist dictatorships.
     
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    No, that's the right's -definition - the right to (x) equals A, B, C.
    A B and C are not limited.
    Correct. And the fact the commission of murder with a firearm is not protected by the 2nbd in no way means the right to keep and bear arms is limited.
     
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    right it's limited to abnc you don't get to do D,E, and F. That's all I mean by it being limited.
    no you don't have the right to commit murder because other people have the right not to be murdered has nothing to do with guns or the Second Amendment. Second Amendment is limited in that you can't own a nuclear device.

    The limits are the things you are not allowed to do. Not being allowed is limiting
     
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    Still 34,000 lives lost per year is too many.
     
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    I'm sure that Washington wouldn't have taken exception to an AR-15, but do you believe that he would have taken exception to an FGM-148?
     
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    He is trying to overturn an election by following a LEGAL PROCESS? Uh, no, I will NOT be concerned for that!:roflol:
     
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    Weren't they saying "everywhere" all along, before DC said anything?
     
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    Strange to call that "injury." HARM makes more sense, no?
     
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    Can you think of one important distinction between planes/prisons/federal buildings and schools?

    What is the difference which you are referring to?
     
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    I think you'll find that you need to rephrase, unless you believe that you have the right to harm someone who does not constitute an immediate threat to you or your safety.
     
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    I'm not interested in semantics.
     
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    Do the research. I did.
     
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