Is this Human?

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Is this human

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is total biological nonsense.
     
  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    False it is a person when it is an individual human being and that is from the moment of conception.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    Are you under some absurd notion that only those who are pro-abortion adopt childrenand raise children?
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's an emotion-based opinion, not a fact.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not at all. I just know the hypocrisy of many who call themselves pro life. I marched for this **** decades ago, and those folks have not changed.

    Does the 4th Amendment, and Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, apply to women in their childbearing years? Are they not whole citizens? How does the state even know that a woman is pregnant? Are doctors required to report that? It should not be the state's business until and unless that fetus is carried to term and becomes a brand new citizen. If I'm pregnant, how is that anyone's business but my own? Do I not have the same right to complete privacy in my medical records as you enjoy?

    I'm talking about constitutional law. Your argument is purely emotional.
     
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  6. Bluesguy

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    What folk, I do believe there is some large group of pro-life people who oppose adoption and raising kids.

    We are endowed as persons at creation, you don't have to be a citizen, with certain inalienable rights. In fact our highest right as a human being, the right to life.
     
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    No it's a biological fact, you know the science. You are a new unique individual human being at conception, a person.
     
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    Even if that were true...SO WHAT? That doesn't give the ZEF the right to do anything it pleases....

    With RIGHTS come restrictions, we ALL have to adhere to them..

    ALL people are unique but we don't have the right to do anything we want to others...
     
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    What's not true about it?
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Sorry just saw a typo in my previous post

    "What folk, I do believe there is some large group of pro-life people who oppose adoption and raising kids."

    Should read

    What folk, I do NOT believe there is some large group of pro-life people who oppose adoption and raising kids.
     
  11. FoxHastings

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    Even if that were true...SO WHAT? That doesn't give the ZEF the right to do anything it pleases....

    With RIGHTS come restrictions, we ALL have to adhere to them..

    ALL people are unique but we don't have the right to do anything we want to others...
     
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    What's not true about what I said?
     
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    Even if that were true...SO WHAT? That doesn't give the ZEF the right to do anything it pleases....

    With RIGHTS come restrictions, we ALL have to adhere to them..

    ALL people are unique but we don't have the right to do anything we want to others...


    :) :) Just can't face it...:) :) :)
     
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    If you are not going to answer my question about your response to my post this can't continue it's a two way street.

    What's not true about what I said?

    You are a new unique individual human being at conception, a person.
     
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    Stem cell research is twisted stuff. I don’t support it because of the underlying precursor of abortion.
     
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    On the other hand it is saving lives
     
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    And you will not develop into a person until “you” have been implanted into a receptive environment. Does that “unique human” include those unfortunate conceptuses (?concepti?) that have chromosomal defects?

    What about the millions of frozen fertilised eggs in storage around America?
     
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    Except that if you did the math you would see that if ALL pregnancies were to be “saved” then you would rapidly run out of willing adoptive parents
     
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    This is so wrong.
     
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    No you are a unique individual human being before then, from the moment of conception.

    What does that have to do with what I said and the science?
     
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    I've not seen that and there are millions of couples out there trying to adopt.
     
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    Millions? Really? Prove it
     
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    And a conceptus is NOT a “unique human” it may be a unique clump of cells but it will not become a human unless it develops into one and that requires implantation
     
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    Nope as unique an individual as every human being ever conceived from the moment of that conception.
     
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    "While it is difficult to find an exact, accurate number to answer this question, Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption. Based on this couples waiting to adopt statistic, many couples are waiting to adopt."
    https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families
     

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