Is USA the main cause of misery and terror in the world? Ron Paul thinks so!

Paul left out the root of all evil religion. After all the Paul is getting old, and his mind is starting to go. He has all the problems figured out like most of us, but his solutions are few, and short and simple. As a result, simple solutions for complex issues will require more thought. Which will result in more problems. Hence, I don't think Paul has the ability or intelligence to resolve complex issues over the long term. His limited understanding of human behavior, culture, interactions of cultures within cultures, and economic structure of other countries will make for bad decisions and errors in policy.

America has no time for trial and error, and the USA can't afford to fail any more than it has in the past 12 years. To fail would mean going back to idologies and mentality of 2001, thus creating further destruction and damage of the USA>

 

If other countries treated us the way we treat them we wouldnt even be having this conversation.

 

The US is the cause of significant suffering around the world.

 

Do some research and look up how many times he has run...

 

An adult just walked into the room, all be quiet and listen.

 

Magic, stop posting facts, the liberals won't tolerate it, and the muslim fascist filth chimps might take violent action.

 

Of course it is. I forgot that without the USA the rest of us wouldn't be here at all.

What a fine mess you got us into Ollie!

 

Some people live in wally world.

China has no desire to invade Japan, what for? What possible reason. They allready manufacture Playstation 3 in China. What possible reason would China, the country that has never attaced a whte country, ever attack anuy white or iranian country? Sounds like crazy talk.

The irans buy weapons from China, and the Japan needs China to produce it's goods, and the chinese will not move to japan to bask in their radiation.

China now produces more autos than the USA and Japan. Perhaps the simple fearfull minds would think China is a threat. But china is smarter than that, A nuclear war would set all that they made back 200 years. Also, chinese are like jewish when it comes to money. They are tight and will not waste trillions on a war. Hell, they learned from the mistakes of the USA in Iraq Afganistan.

The Chinese are playing like most of the South American countries by doing the Swiss thing. Stay out of wars and let waring countries fight wars for you.

 

LOL. we all know that there is the eivl underworld demond that will rise up and try to take over the entire world, They are starting in the Congo as we speek, and soon a super hero bat man will emerge and keep all those villans at bay.

 

Speaking of drones again?

 

The bottom statement shows that you are the one to whom the top statement applies.

Where did I say an "invasion of Japan"?

Nowhere.

The Chinese don't want land, they want Ocean. They want the natural resources beneath it, and they don't care who else is in the area who has a claim they will merely take it and no one in the world has the ability to prevent that except the USA.

Your ignorance of geopolitics shows that you are simply another strategic bumpkin who only looks at the world through the rose tinted glasses of the pacifist who sees no danger that can't be prevented and angry that other people and nations refuse to accept your illusionary world of brotherhood that exists only in your own mind.

Israel is a nation under seige every day whether it tries to grab some small strips of sand or not. It's mere existence is intolerable to the muslim world and they could be the perfect pacifists and they would still be attacked and Iran is the main instigator of the aggression. No one with any real sense of how the world truly works believes that there won't be a renewed arab-israeli war with the muslim world banding together to try one last good push to force the Jewish State out of existence by military means. No one but pacifists and Jew haters.

China is just playing a long term game until it reaches the point that no one can stop them and once it feels it is powerful enough, it is going to enforce a despotic imperialism throughout the Pacific Ocean that makes anything America has been accused of look weak by comparison.

That is the reality of it. It is not some warmongers imaginary paranoia, but the general consensus among experts in geopolitics that you obviously don't follow.

 

Oh brother. Of course he doesn't think that, but he does recognize that American imperialism has caused a lot of damage to the world. Fortunately, we are the most giving nation on the planet so we've helped out untold millions. We should definitely stop meddling.

 

The link in the OP provided no evidence that Ron Paul has ever described the US as "the main cause of misery and terror in the world".

 

If you take Ron Pauls statements to their logical conclusion it is the only description possible.

If you beleive that Iran having a nuclear capability is harmless to the world order.. then that is simply denial of basic truth.

If you beleive China doesn't have imperialistic designs involving vast tracts of the pacific ocean, then you are simply in denial of basic truth.

If you believe that 9/11 was result of America's meddling in the middle east because we took actions to stop Soviet expansionism during the Cold War and think that is "America's Fault" well then you weren't alive to experience the Cold War.

 

So we're still talking about putting words in his mouth.

It's harmless to anyone who disowns Israel, as we should have done a long time ago, and as Paul advocates doing.

China doesn't have a history of imperial ambitions, but even if they did, I promise you that the Pacific Ocean is very big, and their part of it is very far away from our parts of it.

From what I've heard, it was more a matter of backing certain evil dictators in the region and parking our troops on Saudi soil.

 

Whatever.

Well I don't, Israel is not some rogue nation. They deserve our patronage.

But not Japan, are you saying an arms race between China and Japan is harmless to our trade ties and other interests in the region? Geez.. we're not zimbabwe.. we have global vulnerabilities, trade ties and relations. It is a physical impossibility for America to be a mere "regional" power and just allow other nations to gobble up the sovereignty of smaller ones for no reason other than proximity to natural resources.

As far as parking troops on Saudi soil, didn't the King of Sauid Arabia ask us to? Are we supposed to just say "no" to the asked for protection of one of our oldest and most valuable allies? Geez.. it's like everyone in this country wants to just abandon the world as if bad (*)(*)(*)(*) happening in the world has no effect on us. We are not an island and we have a responsibility to police the world. Quit trying to abandon it.

As far as dictators go, many of them have been/were in power during the time of the Cold War and it was either our dictators, or theirs. You keep pretending that the Cold War didn't happen.

 

Israel advised against the 2003 Iraq invasion:

http://www.forward.com/articles/9839/

 

I actually agree with you. Wow.
We disagree on so much.

 

Why do you make these claims?

 

Because only Ron Paul has such rabid fanboyz running around the internet claiming the greatest politician that ever walked the face of modern America.

The world simply does not work the way libertarians claim it does.

The Constitution does not work the way libertarians claim it does.

The economy does not work the way libertarains claim it does.

American society does not work the way libertarians think it should.

History did not exist in the way libertarians claim it did.

That is just the plain hard truth of it.

If you are a Ron Paul libertarian of the variety found on most of the internet you llive in a delusional world of conspriacy theory, false economics, false constitutional law and revised history. It is sad and disgusting to see what would be rational people completely warped into a false reality.

The mainstream is not living in a contrived reality. The entire premise of Ron Paul Libertarianism is that the mainstream of America is living in a false reality generated by rich elites. It is not. Quit acting like Libertarians have the keys to the kingdom of Heaven.. the only thing they possess is a fairy tale idea of the world as delusional as the political left's.

 

The mainstream got us into this mess.

It is insanity to do the same thing, and expect different results.

Research Blowback.
Research our meddling in Iran in 1953.
the list goes on.

Before you post moronic statements about Ron Paul, be subjective, and research what Ron Paul is talking about.
You cant expect me, or him to spoon feed you the info. He tells you his stance, dont default to "He's crazy". RESEARCH!!!

 

I've read plenty of the garbage that comes from his ideological ilk to know that if he is their leader I want nothing to do with him.

I don't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) about Iran in 1953, or what the (*)(*)(*)(*) muslims think of America being asked by the Saudi King to station troops on his soil. That is his right as the soveriegn legitimate ruler of his nation and the Muslim world needs to **** and come into the modern world where superpowers rule and not God.

 

most americans are driven by ideological religion the same as muslims they can't take the high road on this, the only way the rulers of both lands can get their respective populations whether christian or muslim to fight in oil wars is by convincing the majority who are religious in either country its a holy war against muslims or christians

in the end the saudi king and Bush's majesty get richer from oil indirectly

 

At the very last minute, some Israeli general advised against it, but in the run up that began in 1998.. the Israelis, JINSA and AIPAC were completely gung ho.

Do you remember Netanyhu and Chalabis crowing that Israel would be getting a pipeline from Kirkuk?

 

What about people who have already researched that years ago and discovered it's a load of revisionist nonsense? What should they do?

FTW:

* March 1951 Haj Ali Razmara, Iranian Prime Minister, and in the way of Mossadegh is gunned down in Tehran.

* Late 1951 Mossadegh, sensing he will lose the parliamentary elections, stops the election after a quorum of his supporters are elected.

* July 1952 Mossadegh, after being constitutionally blocked by his opponents resigns and sends mobs controlled by himself into the streets to riot until he is given what he wants.

* 1952 - Mossadegh is restored and given the unconstitutional power to make laws by decree for six months.

* January 1953 - Mossadegh's power to make laws by decree outside of the constitution is extended for a further 12 months. He issues a land reform decree which gives him the power to confiscate the entire property of anyone in the country who opposes him.

* Mossadegh, due to his autocratic unconstitutional rule and a collapsing economy, becomes progressively more and more unpopular.

* 1953 - Mossadeq unconstitutionally dissolves the parliament, abolishes the secret ballot and calls an unconstitutional "national plebiscite" which had an obviously fraudulant result of 99.93% in favor of his dictatorship.

* 1953 - Mossadeq suspends parliament indefinately and rules as an unconstitutional autocrat.



When the Islamic revolution occurred in 1979 CIA did not even have a single asset in country. First thing Khomeini did was ban images of Mossadegh - 'he would've slapped Islam.'

So my question remains, what should someone do if they have already researched "blowback" revisionist history and come to the same conclusions as serious academic historians? That's it's utter nonsense? What should they do then?