islam being taught in American schools

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You do know that in the Abrahamic religions man and women were created in the image of god, yes? So assume that those words mean "god is greater", so using your logic, it is a comparison with humans. Yes?

    If it was a comparison of gods, the words shouted out would by "my god is greater". Why do so many Christians and Jews get so irate whenever someone points out that the same god is believed in by all Abrahamic religions! They all use the same fairy tale to create earth
     
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    Usually they whitewash for the age, like in the movie "Aliens" the little girl is taught there are no monsters, and in "Outlander" the lady comments about George Washington chopping down the cherry tree and he is clueless.

    There are monsters, and many versions of monsters. Can't teach a kid to identify monsters before they can read.
     
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    It has nothing to do with God, it has to do with versions and what people do when you exceed the limits:

    “Expressing your opinion and ‘Freedom of Speech‘ is fine until the point of insult.. if what you are saying justifies the insult then that means non of the human rules we are creating are applicable ..” (Peaceful Muslim, from Chicago) http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/8170-now-4.html#post242088
     
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    I am going to completely disregard anything you are trying to explain...https://comingworldwar3.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/allah-pre-arabic-pagan-moon-god-an-expose-on-islam/
    ......but this looks damning...
     
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    Not all religions are created equal.
    If we follow your logic, you should also teach Nazism and racist ideology in German schools.
     
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    Oh what a surprise!
     
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    Is Nazism a religion?
    Is communism a religion?

    No... they are ideology and not religion. There is no sort of church or temple existing where followers do some sort of whorshipping to some sort of god or gods.
    The two mentioned ... National Socialism and Communism ... are even ideologies, which reject the religion without replacement (!!!) and want to abolish!
     
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    I'm pretty sure German schools teach ABOUT Nazism and racist ideology.
    That is not the same as promoting Nazism.
    Teaching about Islam or Hinduism is not the same as promoting them.
    So obvious it shouldn't need stating...
     
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    Correct ... It does not matter if there is a religious education at all in a school or not, the children should also learn something neutral about the religions of this world.
    And Nazism is at least part of the history subject or the subject of politics in the schools.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Bergmann_(philosopher)#Works_and_Ideology
     
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    Teachers are criticized no matter they do.

    The basic line from public school teachers is that tolerant religion is okay and a bigoted interpretation of any religion is not. Sexism, homophobia, and violence to pressure acceptance of a bigoted Islam are unacceptable. You couldn't devise a better way to undermine Islamism.
     
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    There is no requirement for a god to be worshiped for religion to exist, neither is there a requirement for a church, temple, or any meeting place, and all it takes is ONE person to create a religion. Socialism by definition has nothing whatsoever to do with Jews, and nationalism by definition does not exclude religions, unless you create a religion; the calipers were Darwinian, the religion was not socialist or simply nationalist, it was about GERMAN purity, no real science about it, it was religious as religious can be.
     
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    Actually there are over 3000 Gods active on earth right now.
     
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    Man created God, in his own image.
     
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    You may want to do the same since you just started a sentence with a verb.
     
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    Have they gone beyond "tolerant religion is okay" to we must tolerate to the extent of not denigrating?

    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of [those that believe blacks are Kenites the descendants of Cain and the mark is upon them].” (Obama)

    How many of those "educators" have pointed out the absolute stupidity of that moron?
     
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    Step back and look at the Big Picture. Violent islamists all over the world are fighting modernizing forces undermining their traditional religious beliefs and power structure. Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia know they have to transition to more tolerant Islam to participate in the world economy. With the transition to other types of energy, they know time is running out to attract capital for industries unrelated to their oil resources. Their economies could easily look more like Egypt or even Pakistan without industrial development.
     
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    History explains, so there's no way of getting around a look at the impact of religion and that requires examining what religious people believe.
     
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    I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said...

    But so what. One side chops off someones head and another bombs hospitals and schools...and claims they are all terrorists afterwards. If there's any more of a lean in your worldview your going to fall over...
     
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    Historians themselves are part of history. Zinn's "history" is product of what we knew and believed when he wrote it. Francis Parkman was an important historian in the 19th Century, but his judgmental assessment of Native Americans says a lot about the period.
     
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    I'm playing with words a bit, but my concept of worship is sincere devotion. Most people claim or go through the motions of aligning themselves to a faith, but just like Christianity, there are hardly any Christians by actions. Very few people give their entire lives to walking around helping people without an agenda or seeking compensation. Barely anyone believes in non-violence. Most of them are thoroughly materialistic. It's a big clown show.
     
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    Absolutely. Why they believe what they believe, how they act, and the impact they have are part of what interests historians.
    The "average educator" teaches other subjects. History teachers understand these issues.
     
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