Israel: US Asks Iran to Not Sink an American Carrier, “Just Kill Some Troops Instead”

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  1. gnoib

    gnoib Well-Known Member

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    Nope will not happen, even the idiot in chief will not do it.
    If he orders it, he will face a revolt by the military. There are thresholds and I have all the trust in the US military, to stand up and to say No.
    I served with them, they are pragmatic, honorable and know their duty. Your nuclear fantasy would find no support at all.
    It will be a massive conventional air retaliation. But nothing more.
     
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    Yea so here the thing, if Iran were to be able to sink one of our carries, political we could have to respond in kind. The situation demands it. So yes he would use a nuclear weapon. Don’t start with that BS of here would be a revolt and they would refuse etc etc. they wouldn’t. especially if they we just lost a capital ship.
     
  4. Lil Mike

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    OK so rule of law is your issue? Did we violate rule of law by killing a terrorist?
     
  5. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Asked and answered, multiple times.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We really don't need to be in Europe, you said yourself, the threats to America aren't in Europe. NATO is obsolete and a waste of American money. You folks really don't realize the costs of defense to European countries if America left. We wouldn't be leaving our equipment there, we'd take it with us, meaning you folks would have to replace it yourselves...
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    So no then.
     
  8. WillReadmore

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    I doubt we wold take that much. We still care about the defense of Europe in a very serous way. And, doing the work to haul used military equipment back to the US implies we have some sort of need for it that is more than its benefit where it is.

    NATO remains seriously important. You're forgetting that Russia is at war against Ukraine, and has the notion that they should be able to "reunite" the countries they lost when the USSR crumbled.

    Look at a map.
     
  9. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do we really care? American demographics are changing. We cared about Europe when the threat was communism. Does today's America really want to save Europe from itself a third time? Are today's liberals more tied to the birth place of communism, or will they be chanting "No blood for Beamers"? There are no threats to America in Europe, there is no need to spend American money protecting them, let them protect themselves...
     
  10. WillReadmore

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    No, asked and answered.
     
  11. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Americans and Europeans have very similar ideas on the central issues of rule of law, democracy, etc. And, we're better off as those ideas are proven to be beneficial and are extended over a larger percent of the world by supporting countries moving in that direction and defending nations against the threats of those who clearly oppose our foundational principles.

    Obviously, there are numerous Americans who see our founding princiiples as total crap and not worth promoting. But, that is clearly a problem, NOT a solution.
     
  12. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is Europe promoting anything besides dependency? Contrary to liberal belief, dependency isn't an American principle at all...
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    Ensuring their populations get healthcare?

    That's a highly positive direction. They do it for FAR less money than we do. And, it means that corporations don't end up having to have a healthcare branch of their HR department.

    Do you know how big of a hit it is for relatively small US companies to hit the point where they need to start providing healthcare?

    In Germany, university tuition is free. Do you know what that means for our coming economy? They already lead the entire US in clean energy design and production.
     
  14. Dispondent

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    I'm talking about Europe's dependency on the US when it comes to their defense. If lesser democratic nations can't even afford to defend themselves, why would others emulate them? No need to get into the commie nonsense those same lesser nations extoll...
     
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    They're defending what we want to defend. We're working together.

    Nations such as Ukraine need help in order to be strong enough to defend against Russia. There is nothing strange about that.

    Russia's moves against eastern countries is not nonsense.

    Nor is their assault on our own democracy.
     
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    We are not working together, we are shouldering the load.

    Ukraine isn't part of NATO. You are making my point for me...
     
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    I don't believe that makes any point.

    NATO doesn't have to limit itself to NATO nations. Having Russia conquer Ukraine is not in the interest of the EU or the USA.
     
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    How much does the US spent on NATO. Rather little.
    Defense of Europe, really, against what?
    Don't tell me against Russia.
    Let me remind you, its the US which has used article 5 and by that used NATO to defend its self.
    No other country of NATO has done it.
    Trump has set the stage, by threatening Iraq, demanding US troops leave, with tariffs.
    One can easily reverse that, you leave, impound everything till the bills are payed.
    Than take your junk, or it gets sold.
    Its the MAGA way
     
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    How quickly liberals became neo-cons ready to invade the world is rather striking.
     
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    You need to explain that one.

    Our support of Ukraine has to do with Ukraine protecting its borders.

    There is nothing ""neo-con" about that.
     
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    The response would be conventional - not nuclear. Going to nukes would be insane .
     
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    I've already addressed this and looks like I'll have do it again, the politics of the situation would require a nuclear response.
     
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    No it wouldn't - blowing up a carrier is not legitimate justification for dropping nukes.

    You seem to have no concept of what the consequences of such an action might be.
     
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    OK...

    NATO probably should limit itself to NATO's borders. Mission creep, particularly of the time that makes Ukrainian territorial integrity a vital US national interest, are only going to bring conflict, not stability, and in truth, the case that the Ukraine is a US vital interest has not really been made to my satisfaction, unless providing no show employment for ner do well kids of US politicians is a vital interest. The Ukraine is not part of NATO and shouldn't be. How does making Ukraine's issues ours benefit us?
     
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    5K people gone, plus a major warship...... nukes are going fly, be lower yield weapon but, Trump would use a nuke. And Iran can't play that card w/o getting destroyed. Which is one of many reason why they haven't done so. Assuming they can use one.
     

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