Israeli archaeologist denies Jewish ties to Al-Aqsa Mosque

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  1. SamSkwamch

    SamSkwamch Banned

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    Let's hope we can finally put this lie to rest. It is one of the more damaging lies that those who seek peace face. This Jewish archeologist deserves all of our praise and thanks for his honesty. Please help make this story go viral through all of our social media as you can be sure that our MSM will not discuss this.

    An Israeli archaeological expert has asserted that there is no relation between the Western Wall of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and an ancient Jewish temple...

    Meir Ben-Dov, an Israeli archaeological expert who is author of many books about Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, further asserted that the Wailing Wall, the Jewish name for the Western Wall, has no sacred significance in the Jewish faith.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...logist-denies-jewish-ties-to-al-aqsa-mosque/?
     
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    The Muslims have declared several times that the Temple Mount is where the two Jewish temples used to stand.

    According to the Muslim authorities that controlled Jerusalem in 1925 and 1950, the Temple Mount was indeed the spot where the two Jewish Temples stood.

    https://www.templeinstitute.org/1925-wakf-temple-mount-guide.pdf

    page 4

    "The site is one of the oldest in the world. Its sanctity dates from the earliest (perhaps pre-historic) times. Its identity with site of Solomon's temple is beyond dispute."
    page 16

    "Leaving the Mosque of Al Aqsa by the front entrance, we turn to the left and proceed to the southeast corner of the Haram area where a staircase leads down into the vast subtaranean structures known as Solomon's Stables."

    "In the west wall of the chamber, a door opens into a staircase descending to Solomon's Stables. This is a vast subteranean chamber of roughly rectangular shape of which the chief feature is the imposing size of the piers. Of these there are 15 rows of varying size and height, supporting the vault on which rests the roof. Little is known for certain of the early history of the chanber itself. It dates probably as far as back as the construction of Solomon's Temple."



    this guide says the same thing.

    https://www.templeinstitute.org/1950-wakf-temple-mount-guide.pdf
     
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    quoted, so show that in 1925 and 1950 the Muslims honestly believed that the Jewish temples existed on the Temple Mount.

    too bad they let politics get in the way of historical facts, after 1967.
     
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    This is about the Western Wall which was a wall of Fortress Antonia built by Herod.
     
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    WRONG.

    it is 100% about the Temple Mount itself.

    it clearly says so inside both brochures.

    read them
     
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    Not a chance.

    Look at a map. http://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/JEWISH_TEMPLECity_of_Jerusalem.htm

    The Antonia Fortress is on the western side of the north wall of the Temple complex, the Western Wall is at the south end of the western wall of the Temple complex.

    If you are going to try to rewrite history you need to do better than that.
     
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    so you're saying the Muslims were LYING in 1925 and 1950?

    the Temple Mount was built by Herod and the Jews, to hold the Jewish Temple.

    the evidence is clear in all the very large Herodian blocks surrounding the Mount.

    only anti-Jewish fools in the Palestinian govt. believe otherwise.

    all true archeaologists, know what's fact.
     
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    My understanding is that Herod's temple was constructed on the temple mount & that the prophet Mohamed was supposed to have gone to heaven from a corner stone that remained on the temple mount from Herod's temple. Solomon's temple however was built on a hill that was levelled flat after an invasion exposing rock suitable building construction resulting in a quarry that was later used for burials & then as a garbage tip.

    With modern equipment it would not be hard to rebuild Solomon's temple where God said it should be and originally was.

    As for the stables associated with the temple mount that is consistent with a palace or fort.
     
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    so you're saying Herod and the Jews did NOT build the Temple Mount and all of its surrounding walls, with massive blocks??

    LOL!!! talk about historical revisionism
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Wall

    No true archeaologists doubt that Jerusalem was the site of the 2nd Temple, built by Herod. He also build the massive stone walls and expanded the city. The Temple Mount was built by Herod.
     
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    Wrong.

    The UNESCO resolution does no such thing. It affirms the importance of the Western Wall to "the 3 monotheistic religions" (Judaism, Christinaity, islam) and then goes in a long rant about the Israeli "occupiers", and uses only Islamic names for the Holy sites. Its clearly a political resolution.

    And no matter what any organization claims, the Second Temple was built under decree from Cyrus the Great and was completed in 516 BC, it existed in various states of repair until Herod the Great began his massive building projects and with the cooperation of the Jewish leaders expanded the Temple, work started around 20 BC. The Western Wall is part of the Second Temple.

    Islam did not show up for another 550 years.


    You can try to fool people, you can try to hide the facts, but you cannot change history. Not even UNESCO :)roflol:) can change history.
     
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    this is 100% false.

    you didn't read the article.

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    all the big lower stones in this photo of the Old City, are Herodian.

    Herod re-built Jerusalem, expanded the city, and built the Temple Mount and all retaining walls. You can see his handy work in the above photo.
     
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    Thanks for all the responses, but I'm going with archeology over religious hogwash...

    Israeli archaeologist denies Jewish ties to Al-Aqsa Mosque

     
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    Indeed Meir Ben-Dov is an author of many books about Jerusalme and the Temple Mount. One of his books called "The Temple Mount Excavations" that was published in 1982 Meir Ben-Doc wrote in chapter 2 of the book:
    Moreover, a discovery that was published in 2007. This discovery was made thanks to the Wakf that excevated on the Mount (they excevated and still are to destroy every peace of non-Muslim artifacts), which they threw as garbage. But then archeaologists from the Israel Antiquities Authority came to this "pile of garbage" and discovred tools and fragments of bowls that are dated to the period of the first temple.
     
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    really sad to see UNESCO become a lying mouthpiece for Islamist propaganda and historical revisionism.

    but what should we expect, from the same folks who ignore religious, sexual, gay discrimination by the Saudis, Pakistanis, Iranians, Afghanis, Yemenites, and other Muslim regimes.

    their relevence in the world of history and archaeology, has now ended.
     
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    next UNESCO is likely to claim the Moon-landings were faked and the Black Plague was a Jewish plot to kill Gentiles.
     
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    Your paper country now has a paper sole ownership on Jerusalem, good for you :)


    You just erased the option to ever internationalize that part of the holy city.
     
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    when did UNESCO become an arm of Islamist propaganda?

    will they next deny that Jerusalem has any significance to the Jewish people?
     
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    Where is his qoute ? where is his work to suggest that ? you link states 2 and a half lines that he did but gives no source.


    I looked up Meir ben dov archaeologist and found books he wrote about the the first Temple and the 2nd one , his name certianly does not belong to a thread called "denies Jewish ties to al aqsa" see regardless of the West Wall - no one but crazy arabs denies there was a Temple up there and that's the tie to the Temple mount - not the West Wall.
     
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    this archeaologist, is what we call a "self-hating Jew".

    the Wailing Wall was built by Herod, and is part of the large retaining walls that holds up the Temple Mount, where the 2nd Temple stood 2,000 years ago.

    Jews have prayed at this wall, for more than 1,000 years.
     
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    He is not, Im just reading an on line book of his "The dig at the Temple mount" 1982 and he certianly is'nt what Sam claims he is, he never questions the Temples or the Jewish relation.
     
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    The BBC had a series of Documentaries about 4 years ago called The Bibles Hidden Secrets. I would need to watch it again to get the information but I think there was controversy about at least one of the Temples. You will see that she speaks about how there are supposed incontrovertible truths which people dare not question but being herself a historian she must take a more objective position and look at the facts including archaeological findings. She points out that there are a few Israeli archaeologists who fearlessly are looking for the truth - not self hating Jews but academics with integrity.

    I know at one point in the documentaries she says that it would be well if Israel stop trying to use History as the right for being there as the time is approaching where that will be shown to be less and less relevant.

    But as I say I cannot remember all that much on the details. Perhaps Sam will be interested in watching all the episodes of this! It was good at the time!

    [video=youtube;UhiABi6vw3A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhiABi6vw3A[/video]

    Whatever the history the work going on to take over Al Aqsa is reminiscent of the extremism of ISIS and of course a danger to the whole world in creating world wide religious wars as we are beginning to see.
     
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    I don't want to get involved in this debate, as I am neither an archaeologist nor otherwise familiar enough with the underlying subject, but what I do want to is register my voice against those who I refer to as "AIPAC Jews" in the US -- folks who are prone to use various labels to put down Jews which don't subscribe to their agendas. Jews are not a monolith, except in the narrative presented by Zionists and ultra Zionists on the one hand, and the real anti-Semites on the other hand.
     
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    Archaeology and history prove you wrong.

    And I cannot find anything other than your comments and the comments in your link that Meir Ben-Dov claims the Western Wall has no significance to Judaism.
     

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