'Israeli' blood thist.

Jonsa , in another attemp to get back to topic , here's some more info about PURIM from a Jewish source : writer Marsha Cohen .
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But Purim has a darker side, unencumbered by historical facts, that has impacted relations between Jews and their neighbors, as Elliot Horowitz, a professor at Bar Ilan University, chronicles in his book Reckless Rites: Purim and the Legacy of Jewish Violence.
In recent years, Purim has taken on an increasingly ominous aspect, with Israeli settlers belligerently sparking confrontations with Palestinians in whose midst they have entrenched themselves. The most deadly of these took place in 1994, when the holiday of Purim coincided with the first Friday of the holy month of Ramadan.

Muslim worshipers packed the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron, a shrine sacred to Muslim as well as to Jews. An American-born Israeli settler, Dr. Baruch Goldstein, opened fire on them with a semi-automatic rifle, killing 29 and wounding more than 100 others. “Since then, for me and for many others, Purim has never been the same,” Horowitz writes.

Goldstein’s mentor, Dov Lior, the government-salaried rabbi of the Kiryat Arba settlement near the site of the Hebron massacre, has been frequently accused of incitement of, and involvement in, terroristic acts of violence directed against Arabs, including a plot to blow up six buses, loaded with explosives, with the objective of killing the hundreds of passengers on them. Israel’s Shin Bet security service foiled the plot at the last minute. Lior endorsed a book, Torat HaMelech (Law of the King) which countenanced the slaying non-Jews, and not surprisingly drawing upon the Book of Esther for justification. His arrest incited outrage among his followers. At the beginning of February of this year, Israeli Army Radio reported that Lior had derisively referred to the US president as a kushi (a biblical term denoting a person of African descent, the modern Israeli equivalent of “(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)”) and compared him to Haman.

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As Ami Eden points out, “there’s the uncomfortable wrinkle that in Megillat Esther the Jews can’t/don’t launch their successful preemptive strike against their enemies until they secure the king’s permission — not quite the ‘Israel has the right, the sovereign right to make its own decisions’ message that Netanyahu has been hammering home during his trip this week to Washington.”
Beyond that wrinkle, there’s a much larger question. Is it really a good idea for a US President to look to a biblical novella (especially one whose “happy ending” is the death of tens of thousands of people), or to any religious text, as his guidebook on foreign affairs? Robert Wright doesn’t think so, and proposes an intriguing “thought experiment” to answer this question:

The Book of Esther is bad history. Bad history–especially when it masquerades as a relevant guide to foreign affairs–makes bad policy.

And bad policy is what you end up with when you can no longer tell Mordecai from Haman.


http://www.lobelog.com/purim-when-bad-history-makes-bad-policy/


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Fair enough, let's leave good looks out of it. How about the second part of my post... "Israeli Defense Force, kicking collective Arab butt for many a years"... is this propaganda too?

 

That would be along the lines of the SS European Liberation Movement kicking Jew butt for many years.

Like that, 'Dutch'..?

 

No I am not a 'brit' the word 'brit' came into use in the 80s.by Ex Patriots usually Wide Boys made good and Villains wearing gold chains living the 'good life' on the Costa del Sol and it was used by the Army. You must call me what you like but .'excuse me I am British' which has nothing to do with ethnicity but with Citizenship. I am also English by birth ....as to my ancestry and my possible blue eyes ..how far back do you want to go ? lol that is a Yanky thing the searching for roots. I am quite comfy in mine ta.


Most of what you have been taught about our gene pool is wrong anyway. We are the same Hunter gatherers as the Basques and have changed little since no matter how many invasions there have been since.

Celts, Belgians, Angles, Jutes, Saxons, Vikings, Normans make up 5% of us ............. we are still mainly Basque since the Ice melted . last time around.

 

Must all be coincidence.

Tell you what's not coincidence though.

When two people or more do not agree with the Jonsa.

Then it's a Nazi tag team.

 

As far as Egypt is concerned , we were on the losing end up until our last armed conflict with Israel the 1973 war where we were strategically victorious , which is the first time by the way Egypt engaged in a war with Israel while possessing proportional military readiness .

Though the Israelis still managed to somehow claim victory after losing Sinai .

 

LoL... a few millions of Israelites refusing to surrender to a billion of surrounding arabs... yea... you keep kicking jews, you keep doing that

 

LoL, the Egyptian army would not win a war even if Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek rose from the grave and lead them

 

Yes, I've been told more than once I am

simply irresistable.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to say "sorry, I'm not into man love."

 

what's it to me?

I turn around and ask you what's it to you? YOu and your pals seem to relish spewing hatred of jews. Why is that? are you going to convert anyone?

Jews who hate gentiles fall into the category of run of the mill bigots, which if you will recall, I have a deep antipathy for.

I will always defer to your self admited expertise on *********s and arse licking.
As for personalizing the discussion, we are a tad sensitive aren't we? Able to dish out the absolute worst insults and accusations about an entire people, but as soon as your own disgusting hatreds and deficiencies are point out to you, you start whining like a two year old. If I knew better I'd call that churlish cowardice, but far be it for me to accuse you of anything other than being a self professed jew hater.


[quote/ instead of telling us what Purim is or is not .


You did no such thing .
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did you miss this?

You are so predicatable.

Only you and your pals could come up with this about purim.

Yes, the jews killed a lot of persians on that particular day in retaliation for their plot to eliminate them. Can you say devine retribution?

Nah, neither of us believe that religious nonsense. But of course you apply 21st century sensibilities and civiliaztion norms to a 475 BCE culture. What was done wasn't a crime back then jack.

And, there is no dark side to purim. It is a celebration and is a lesser holiday than those ordained by the torah. Look at the various rituals and point to the dark side jack? where is this blood lust exhibited in anything they do.

Have you read the whole magillah? Are you at all aware of the true nature of the story? Its a celebration of deliverance, not of blood lust, and only those with hard ons for jews would think otherwise.

I don't mind you accusing me of things I have done, but try not to accuse me of not doing things that I have done. It wounds my self esteem.

 

Where as Israel was forcibly removed from their land and even became lost in the wilderness.

 

yes Allahu Akbar

God is great

40 years of wandering around Sinai because he even gave up on them

 

Now this is a tad of a different stance than the "blood lust" nonsense that jack posted.
That Purim for many jews thru the ages has been an outlet for the frustrations and desire for vengence for the oppressions and persecutions of the gentile is a known fact.

Here's a review of Dr. horowitz's book. I wonder if the subtleties of his position will be lost on you.

Studies in Christian Jewish Relations - Purim and the legacy of Jewish Violence


(I luv the phrase "unencumbered by historical fact")

I guess its just fortutious for Goldstien that all those muslims happened to be at the tomb of the patriarchs celebrating Purim.
I agree that Dov Lior is a whacko religious fanatic.
As for jews using Haman as a "boogie man", it seems to me to be a reasonable iconic cultural/religious reference.

this above has absolutely nothing to do with purim, it has to do with contemporary politics. And the author is an ass if he thinks that Obama would use the bible to inform him on foreign affairs.

REVALATION - 2,000 year old religious texts are bad history!!!!!! Oh the shock, oh the horror!

C'mon, you want to take a contemporary political writer's use of the Magilla as metaphorical context to a contemporary political situation as some kind of "darker side" of a religious holiday of salvation? Try adding a spoonful of intellectual honesty to your morning cuppa.

 

Strategically victorious?

At the time of the cease fire, the Egypt 3rd army was completely surrounded as was the city of Suez. The IDF had crossed the canal and was a mere 40 km from Cairo.

Is that what arabs call a strategic victory?

The Israelis traded the Sinai for peace or did you miss that little bit of the narrative?
Which they were prepared to do a couple of times before.

 

Why is crudity your only line of defence?
Have you always suffered from such a lack of finesse?
Have you ever wondered why you can say the most dispicable things about jews and yet go pear shaped when its turned back at you?

The topic is israeli blood thirst. TheOP has been thoroughly debunked and what are you left with?

Ooooh, telling me to (*)(*)(*)(*) off. Brilliant - thank you for the insight into how your mind works.

 

What is a blood thist exactly? Is that a term for a counter attack after rockets are fired into a residential neighborhood?

 

Oh come on, surely you have realised by now that Jews have been tricked, and their religion stolen, and replaced with some perversity called 'Zionism'?

They have taken on Judaism and twisted, in some cases, destroyed it.

Perhaps the most intact Jewish culture was in Ethiopia. Because time passes more slow there, they had held more true to the Torah Judaism, of the old ways, the true ways.

When they arrived in Israel they were forced to essentially abandon 2500 yrs of true Torah culture, and take on 'Zionism', whose religous wing as it were, is a distortion and an insult to Judaism.

 

Jews are the best dancers in the world.

 

Grow up chum.

 

I am astonished. I had no idea you were an expert in jewish culture.

I am at a loss to understand how zionism has destroyed judeaism. In what fashion has this occurred?

An interesting observation about the Ethiopian jews. I suppose you value religious and cultural stagnation. Its much like the taliban interpretation of Islam - right out of the dark ages replete with antiquated rules designed to govern primitive and ignorant cultures.

I see that you share the "jews for jesus" and Neturei Karta whacky cult perspectives and opinions of Israel, zionist and reform conservative and orthodox jews. Let's see whacky, off balanced, cultish, miniscule minority. I am noticing a pattern in perspective here.

 

Purim? Blood Lust Celebration? You mean a celebration from blood lust don't you?

Purim (Hebrew: About this sound פּוּרִים (help·info) Pûrîm "lots", from the word pur, related to Akkadian pūru) is a Jewish holiday that commemorates the deliverance of the Jewish people in the ancient Persian Empire from destruction in the wake of a plot by Haman, a story recorded in the Biblical Book of Esther (Megillat Esther).

According to the Book of Esther, in the Hebrew Bible, Haman, royal vizier to King Ahasuerus (presumed to be Xerxes I of Persia), planned to kill all the Jews in the empire, but his plans were foiled by Mordecai and his adopted daughter Queen Esther. The day of deliverance became a day of feasting and rejoicing.

 

Yes, a massacre that never happened.

 

Of course. I forgot. It's so much better if you kill a Jew. Just like the 900+ rockets into Israel this year, it would be so much better to have death than a bad shot or the Iron Dome.

 

What do you got against Jews dressing up in custums once a year? does my child in Fairy dress scare you?

 

No.

Not that, of course.

But the question is valid, is there, for some, a dark side to Purim. I think it a fair question, for, as well all know, it seems that a % of mankind, in whatsoever it may be (probably psychopaths), are inclined to take on, and then pervert a given thing.

I am sure we could all think of examples.