Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. AFM

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    They had a nation state 77 years ago but due to genocidal based greed lost it all.
     
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    In 1948 they were offered a state but chose war instead. At Oslo they were offered a state but chose war instead. Now they have to live with their choices.
     
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    That is some preposterously discombobulated logic Jack .. but, in honor of irrational thought day .. we will go with the "might means right trope" and tell Ukraine that we cut off all aid .. cause Ukraine was offered peace but chose war instead .. now they have to live with their choices by jack logic.

    That said .. who is to say accepting the bad deal offered would have stopped the Bibi and the Zionists from following through on their ethnic cleansing charter ? another flawed assumption on your part Jack.

    and last .. the Judges at the Hague don't care about some bad deal offered the Palestinians 70 years ago .. has no bearing on Bibi's guilt of war crimes and crimes against Humanity .. and don't change the fact of Genocide Joe's complicity in this crime humanity.

    The delegation from Ireland to the UN say "Hague to good for Bibi" What you say Jack .. Hague too good for Genocide Joe as well !
     
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    Probably because the terms were unacceptable, and stole Palestinian lands in places they could not accept. Why should they accept having their lands stolen from them? The Israelis stole the land of over 700,000 Palestinians in 1948. It should have been the Palestinians that set the terms, not the West, UN, etc.
     
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    Ukraine has been offered slavery, not peace.
    You are attempting to counter the historical record with rhetoric. Not effective.
     
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    The Palestinians' position today would be immeasurably better than it is had they accepted the UN partition, as the Israelis did. Instead the Palestinians chose war, and cannot now complain about war's verdict.
     
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    There never was a nation named Palestine. The United Nations partitioned the territory which had been a part of the Ottoman Empire for ~ 400 years prior to WWI. After WWI the British managed the territory until the United Nations partitioned it in 1947. No land was stolen. And there was as two state solution which five Arab nations were not happy with and attacked the new nation of Israel in 1948 resulting in the loss of more Arab territory.

    How many times must the historical facts be repeated? How many have been lost based on the idea of what in the minds of the Arab states should have happened but did not? The idea that a two state solution was possible was disproven in 1948 and reinforced continuously since then. The latest confirmation that a two state solution is not possible is the Gaza Strip since 2007.
     
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    Peopl who live in a place determine what is a country or is not. There was no United States until the people living here decided there was. If the people of Palestine decide it is a country, then it is.

    Land was stolen, and continues to be stolen to this day. Your spewing propaganda repeatedly changes nothing, sorry.
     
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    You are complaining that history didn’t go the way you think it should have. That is a fools errand. And you apparently are arguing that because history didn’t go the way you wanted it to go tahat all the violence and death which has resulted from the continuous attacks on Israel by the Islamic Arab states is justified.

    Why aren’t you blaming the Ottoman Turks for allying with Germany instead of France in WWI?
     
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    Why would I do that? I blame all sides for not doing more to stop a pointless war. It was the stubborn pride and stupidity of all sides that lead to that conflict. There were so many points in the lead up to WW1 that could have prevented the conflict, but none of the off ramps were taken. And it was the greedy demands of France especially that pushed Germany to elect a madman that started WW2. Again, another completely avoidable war.
    And now we are once again marching down a path that will take the world into a great war, and it is completely avoidable. But once again greed and pride are causing the death of so many innocents.
     
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    There is no path to a great war. Israel has learned its lesson. There will be no more attempts at a two state solution. Israel has learned this lesson from history and will not repeat it.
     
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    This post reflects ignorance of history.
     
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    Israel will have no choice in the matter. They only exist because we have allowed them to. If they can't act in a humane manner, then they will be forced to give the oppressed their own nation. God didn't give them that land, we did. And we can take it away. Israeli leadership has shown that they cannot act in a civilized, humane way, so they will be forced to. It is just a matter of time. The vast majority of the world, including more and more the USA, has turned against Israel's monstrous actions.
     
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    We didn't give them anything, and we can't/won't take anything away.
    Israel's actions to defend themselves are certainly not monstrous.
    You should keep in mind that it is the reassurance Israel feels from US support that has enabled Israel's frequent generosity toward the Palestinians. The sad thing is that the Palestinians chose to repay that generosity with treachery on 7 October.
     
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    Israel has defeated the Islamic Arab countries every time that the Islamic Arab countries have attacked. Israel has met every challenge by the genocidal forces which seek to kill all Jews and destroy the nation of Israel. The monstrous actions are those of Hamas and Hezbollah.
     
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    Only because we have always supplied them. Without that, they would have fallen long ago.

    I have no problem with Israel being strong, until they use that strength to slaughter the innocent.
     
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    That is not true. Your first sentence betrays your lack of historical knowledge.
     
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    We have supplied them ever since we smuggled the first P-51s to them in 1948. Sorry, you're wrong.
     
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    Source?

    Collins, Larry; Lapierre, Dominique. O Jerusalem! (pp. 732-733). Renaissance Literary & Talent in collaboration with the Proprietor. Kindle Edition.
     
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    ..Delusional Lies
    & Rationalizations


    Straight FACTS are:
    In 1948 they had over half of their Land - Illegally given away, by a Colonial Power

    Illegally given away, to an organization of European Zionists - They chose to try and
    ....................................................................................................................... DEFEND themselves

    They failed, due to the massive support given to the Zionists by the Colonial Powers.
    They
    are now forced to live under a - brutal tyranny - conducted a supremist Apartheid ................................................................................................................................................... Regime

    A scofflaw Extremist Regime, that now seems ready to forgo its Apartheid Policies
    and now resort to out right GENOCIDE in order to solve its problems with the Other

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    The land was under UN Mandate, and was the UN's to liberate and partition.
     
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    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/north-american-p-51d-mustang

    "Israeli acquisition agents, sent abroad to search for aircraft for the fledgling IAF, managed to acquire four Mustangs in the U.S. during the summer of 1948. These four were shipped to Israel in crates, marked as agricultural equipment in order to bypass the American embargo on weapon sales to the Middle East. The first two (No 190,191) arrived in Israel in September 1948 and were quickly assembled and put into service with Israel's first fighter squadron, first at Herzelia and later at Castina (Hazor). The second pair arrived in Israel in October and were not assembled in time to see service during the War of Independence due to a lack of spare parts."

    We had to bypass our own laws to get them there.
     
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    Israel purchased them. The United States government did not give them to Israel. After WW2 war surplus was dirt cheap.
     

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