Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Ah. A new equivalent of brushing ethnic cleansing 2.3 million people under the rug.
     
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    The Palestinians (or the government they chose whatever) did repulsive things and now they've gotta go. It's really that simple, isn't it? Ethnic cleansing is just a catch phrase that sounds ultra dramatic. It's strange that the other Arab countries don't want these folks either isn't it? Something to think about and wonder why not. Maybe Egypt will relent who knows.
     
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    Lovely how you downplay warcrimes as if it's not such a big deal, while on the side refuse to see any difference between Hamas and civilians.
    It's not as if deporting all the white folks is ever on the table when some white terrorists did something, now is it?

    Why on earth would any nation help out with ethnic cleansing?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The 2 state solution is a joke.The only attempted "ethnic cleansing" took place on Oct. 7th. It should never happen again.
     
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    There is no plan to forcibly move all Arabs out of Gaza. Israel is not a Jewish state. It is a Constitutional Republic. There is no Church of Israel.
     
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    For one, Hamas is a militia backed by a foreign state. Two, one of the major military pressures against Israel, Hezbollah, is clearly massing and threatening Israel from the north. Again, backed by a foreign state. Yemenis are firing ballistic missiles at Israel. Foreign state.

    It certainly looks like the Israeli response in Gaza is being pressured by foreign forces. Perhaps the Israelis would be a little more careful in Gaza without being under this time pressure put on it by foreign actors engaging in war against it.

    I think the above kind of complicates the war crime narrative. Any rational observer can see that the security of the Israeli state is under considerable threat. There is clearly a ring of militias from Gaza to Lebanon to Syria to Iraq to Yemen that have been engaging in war, or mobilizing for war against Israel. Completely ignoring this fact while considering Israeli military action is very disingenuous, and dangerous.
     
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    The military supplies delivered to Israel just since October 7 by a totally "foreign state", i.e. the United States, dwarfs all the military supplies delivered to both Hezbollah and Hamas by any "foreign state" during the course of their existence. The additional financial assistance being rushed through Congress for Israel just since October 7 by a totally "foreign state", i.e. the United States, dwarfs all the financial assistance to both Hezbollah and Hamas by any "foreign state" during the course of their existence. And that is merely the tip of the iceberg when it comes to all the things the US and western nations have done to prop up their colonial proxy in the region...
     
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    Putin supporter calls someone else a Nazi. Too funny.
     
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    Delete
     
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    No, not full citizenship. But sure, they can get a passport, and vote in municipal elections; and still get murdered by Israeli settlers, in the West Bank, and not have the police do anything about it. Whoopie!
     
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    LOL. Hamas does not acknowledge it. But many Palestinians, in the West Bank and even in Gaza, especially the younger ones, are favoring a one-state solution. IOW, they certainly acknowledge Israel's right to exist-- as they see it in their best interest to be a part of that state.

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    What percentage of Palestinians want a one-state solution?

    According to a 2017 survey, support for a one-state solution stands at 36% among Palestinians, 19% among Israeli Jews and 56% among Israeli Arabs. However, interest in a one-state solution is growing as the two-state approach has not managed to reach a final agreement.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
    One-state solution - Wikipedia
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    Bullshit. Is that false belief, what you use to justify your own, anti-Palestinian views?
     
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    And hundreds of thousands did flee south, where Israel had told them to go, and found no safe place there for them, and no allowances made for their basic needs; and yes, they still got bombed by Israel, even after getting to the southern part of the country. The fact is that there is no safe part of Gaza. Not in the south-- not even in a refugee camp. There is no reason to put that on Palestinians. Israelis cannot slough off their own obligations, at least not morally, or in the eyes of most of the world, so easily as your excuse, imagines.
     
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    ALL Arabs?? or just neighboring ones?? Tall order. "Collateral" damage would be horrific.

    And why doesn't Israel allow safe entry into Israel??
    If this is not resolved soon.....or if a pause is not taken to restore objectivity. Israel is losing support from its usual allies. Even a war of "revenge" has to be proportional and in keeping with international humanitarian laws. Israel cannot (or should not) lower itself to a terrorist level of revenge behavior.

    This new hotspot could get out of hand quickly if cooler heads don't prevail.

    It has certainly taken the attention away form Putin's invasion of Ukraine........for which one can be sure.......he is grateful.
     
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    It is, essentially, the same thing I have heard from a NY University professor of Mid East studies: that the Israeli police, do not protect the rights of West Bank Palestinians, and that several are killed by Israeli settlers, every week. So I tried to verify that, and guess what? In the first 9 months of this year, prior to October 7th, 197 Palestinians had been killed. In the three weeks since, another 121 have been (according to Reuters), some by the police, themselves.

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    From the start of 2023 through Oct. 6, 197 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank, according to an Associated Press tally. But since the start of the war, Israeli security forces have killed more than 100 Palestinians in the West Bank, Palestinian officials say, and 1,500 more have been arrested.3 days ago
    https://www.npr.org › 2023/10/30
    In the West Bank city of Jenin, Israeli raids and strikes leave Palestinians wary - NPR
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/world/middleeast/west-bank-settlers-palestinians-violence.html

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    Attacks on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank are surging, with at least 115 killed, more than 2,000 injured and nearly 1,000 others forcibly displaced from their homes because of violence and intimidation by Israeli forces and settlers since Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, according the United Nations.

    Among the dead are 33 children, according to an update on Sunday from the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, which has been tracking the conflicts.

    Confrontations in the West Bank have been a longstanding issue, but the violence has intensified over the last three weeks, more than doubling to seven incidents a day, on average, compared with three incidents a day since the start of 2023, according to the U.N.
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    https://time.com/6327959/israel-west-bank-violence-grows/

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    According to the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem, these fatalities have been accompanied by new restrictions on Palestinian movement across the West Bank (which is already severely curtailed by dozens of Israeli military checkpoints) as well as an uptick in Israeli settler violence targeting Palestinian communities east of Ramallah, in the Jordan Valley, and in the South Hebron Hills. “B’Tselem has received reports of settlers entering Palestinian communities, sometimes armed and often escorted by soldiers, and attacking residents, in some cases threatening them at gunpoint or firing at them,” the organization said in a recent press release, adding that eight Palestinian communities of more than 450 people have since been forced to leave their homes in the past week over fears for their safety. “Events on the ground indicate that under cover of war, settlers are carrying out such assaults virtually unchecked, with no one trying to stop them before, during, or after the fact.” There have also been reports of some Israeli soldiers participating in the attacks on Palestinians. In one such incident, which occurred days after Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, a group of soldiers and settlers allegedly tortured and assaulted three Palestinian men in the West Bank.
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    So then, why should they deserve to be treated like other citizens? It is you, who have the "bizarre" impression of the treatment of Palestinians in Israel. Human rights organizations, and the U.N. have called the treatment of Palestinians, worse than Apartheid. None of this information is hard to find, so you have no excuse for your erroneous beliefs, in which you nevertheless show such undue confidence.

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    On 21 March 2022, Michael Lynk, the UN's Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, submitted a report to the UN Human Rights Council stating that Israel's control over the West Bank and Gaza Strip amounts to apartheid, an "institutionalised regime of systematic racial oppression and ...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
    Israel and apartheid - Wikipedia
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    The articles I snipped were from TIME and the NY TIMES, but there are a slew of others, if you prefer the AP, or the BBC, or Reuters, etc, etc, etc. Is the problem that you think you already know better, than need to have to check any information?

     
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    Yeah, a "one state solution" where Palestine is that one states and Israel ceases to exist...lol
     
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    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa, HaHaHaHa, NO. That is not at all, what the poll had asked. The point is that most Palestinians, are not set on Israel's destruction, & unable to accept its existence. Those are only the extremists, who amount to a couple percent of the population. Those defenders of Israel, then, who try to depict all Palestinians as having this mentality are, in their own way, extremists.
     
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    The IDF just stood back as settlers were murdering Palestinians at funerals and many other places. You are delusional
     
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    The whole of Gaza is a bombing zone. What are you going on about! The whole strategy of Israel is to squeeze more and more Gazans into a smaller area to make it easier to bomb more people
     
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    Why would other countries support this ethnic cleansing and who is going to pay for this mass cleansing. BTW the IDF deliberately killed Israeli hostages on 7-9th October as described by the freed hostages. The Israeli government and the IDF command do not care about Israeli or Palestinian innocents
     
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    Israel is a Constitutional Republic. Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations bent on destroying Israel. See the difference and why supplying the means for Israel to defend itself is the ethical and moral thing to do.
     
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    Source?
     
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    Heh. I take it that's a rhetorical question.
     

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