Israeli President; Peres: Recognition of Jewish state 'unnecessary'

So if Abu Mazen demands no Jews in Palestine its only equal to demand no Arabs in Israel? since we establish we have equal rights by the same law...

 

A very slanted opinion from a Zionist nationalist source. Why don't you ask Merwan Barghouti to define a ' jewish ' State for you ? Oh right, he's an arab in one of your prisons.

 

This reply bears no relation to the quote to which it is attached. You have missed the point. That's probably because the British Mandate for Palestine insisted upon fair treatment for all Palestinians inside the new ' jewish ' State and that's an Israeli blindspot.

 

Eh moon why don't you tell us how Jews that don't live in Israel are not so terrible?

 

I didnt realize my question was so difficult, 2 answers - 2 evasions,

Fine, I'll try to answer it myself - feel free to correct me,

When ppl in Israel talk today about that they call it the compleate land of Israel (not greater), they mean from Jordan river to the sea and not including Sinai, most settlers and quite a few right wingers see it as their heritage, on these borders we can argue as there are Israelis that refuse to withdraw from WB for their belives, go right from there and you'll find a few with dreams on the biblical kingdom that also included some part of Jordan and Sinai, that's as far as I now the most daring right winger dream that exists.

Since I joined this forum I heard fantastic comments by Arabs mostly on "greater Israel" that reached as far as Iraq to the east and Egypy to the west, Trout mentioned Hitler dreams - ill take it as to conquer Europe, perhaps he means the entire ME, but screw that! if we can control + evacuate Iraq + Egypt and Iran - why the heck not China ??? since we are there already..

To both interpatations of greatr Israel I think Israel proved by withdrawals so far that we do not seek it, Im willing to debate with anyone that does but answering my questions from time to time is part of it.

 

Why don't you learn to lay off the ' jew ' angle and judge politics by events instead of shabby rhetoric.

 

Sure Palestinians have all the right to return to the Palestinian state.
While Jews have all the right to return to the Jewish state.
This is exactly what Israel is asking the Palestinians to acknowledge.

 

Show us the official statement which backs this claim.

 

Palestinian Bedouins from Gaza and Ramallah pi$$ on resolution 181.

 

this isn't about the Bedouins. this is about the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

You obviously dont understand the concept. As long as the majority wished it to be a Jewish state, this would be that democracy in action.
And considering that most the nations around them are "arab" states or "islamic" states, some both, the need for a Jewish state becomes apparent.

 

No, the failing is yours. A ' jewish ' State would not permit any democratic pathways which might overturn itself. Such barriers are being introduced even today. Imagine a ' jewish ' State wherein arabs win the elections.

Take a break. Review your definition of " obviously ".

 

That idea is a non starter because it doesn't include the complete destruction of Israel.

 

Nonsense, the same democracy that established a Jewish State can choose to not be a Jewish state,

 

If they multiply like rabbits, the excess rabbits will be put on buses and dropped off in Jordan.

 

That sounds like a really radical idea to some people. Reason doesn't appeal to the Jew haters.

 

If Israel has had a policy of ethnic cleansing why are there so many Arabs still living in the West Bank? Why are there any left at all? I guess Jews just aren't very good at this ethnic cleansing thing. You would have thought they could do a much more thorough job.....being Jews and all.

 

The Charter is irrelevant in the 21st century. The "destruction of Israel" is moot given that the world's leading superpower will not permit this eventuality. As such, the citing of the charter and its tracts as a debating point falls into the realm of crude propaganda. The purpose of the Charter is to mobilize political support for Hamas.

In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant......."[6] Hamas have moved away from their charter since they decided to go for political office.[7].... British diplomat and former British ambassador to the UN Sir Jeremy Greenstock stated in early 2009 that the Hamas charter was "drawn up by a Hamas-linked imam some [twenty] years ago and has never been adopted since Hamas was elected as the Palestinian government in 2006 as part of their political program [8]..... Instead they have moved to a more secular stance.[7].....

...... In 2008, the Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, stated that Hamas would agree to accept a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, and to offer a long-term truce with Israel.[9]....Pastor states that those who quote the charter rather than more recent Hamas statements may be using the Charter as an excuse to ignore Hamas.[6].....

.....Dr. Ahmed Yousef, an adviser to Ismail Haniyeh (the senior political leader of Hamas) has questioned the use of the charter by Israel and its supporters to brand Hamas as a fundamentalist, terrorist, racist, anti-Semitic organization and claims that they have taken parts of the charter out of context for propaganda purposes....He further states that "the Israelis have, for example, translated the charter to several languages, English and French included, intentionally perverting the substance of its tenets to suit their purposes. Those aims were to market its fraudulent translation to as many Western politicians, academics and media channels as possible; and therefore make it easier to claim security concerns as the basis for their legal infractions. The fear-mongering is designed to horrify the West so much that it turns a blind eye to Israels crimes against humanity which contravene international law".[13]......
......In a further move away from their charter Hamas have stated according to Agence France-Presse and Al Jazeera "the question of recognizing Israel is not the jurisdiction of one faction, nor the government, but a decision for the Palestinian people."[15][16]..... the “new” discourse of diluted religious content—to say nothing of the movement’s increasing pragmatism and flexibility in the political domain—reflects genuine and cumulative changes within Hamas."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

 

800,000 is the conservative estimate, while some put the figure at over one million. Now perhaps you'd like to dispute the figure with something like reputable sources.

 

You won't find one anti-jewish posts by myself or trout. Such accusations are simply a cheap and common cover for intellectual inadequacy.

 

You don't understand the concept of ethnic cleansing. Please take an hour out of your time and listen to the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhpHTGAlTE

 

Simplistic nonsense. Israel is under the watch of the world community. Its ethnic cleansing is slow and sly- much like your contributions.

 

BS.
Iran is a Muslim republic & a democracy.

 

We have discussed this before.
Palestinians were Bedouins before they invented their current name.

 

How many more times must we read your ridiculous propaganda labels that bear little resemblance to truth?

Despite definitively demonstrating that Israel is not a fascist state you insist.

Depite definitively demonstrating that Israel is not an aparheid state you insist.

Racism is rife in the same proportions as racism is rife in the territories and probably the same as in the UK or America or the majority of the planet for that matter.

Who exactly deemed the occupation illegal? The settlements are clearly illegal, but the occupation itself?

As for neo-zionism, I agree, we can all do without it.