It's Official: Trump Tax Cuts Are Boosting Growth And Mostly Paying For Themselves

That's your response to THIS?


Because the economy was doing so well in 2008?

Um...the only way you could possibly believe that is if you were 10 years old in 2008 and haven't read anything but right wing blogs since

A. Address actual posts if you want to be taken seriously

B. The economy is basically unchanged from the last two years of Obama's...(possibly slightly worse) and yet all of a sudden it's great in your eyes.


Oh...

 

I actually agree, The EC is not outdated. In fact it is necessary in order to give less populous states a voice. Not doing so would be a disaster.

The problem is that the system was abused (mostly by Russia but with willing acceptance at least...by the GOP).

And gerrymandering needs to be dealt with

 

I think you know I was talking of 2018.

 

Russia. Russia has been interfering in elections for years, not only ours, but other countries. I doubt very much it's had a big impact on any election. Some of the crap pulled by the Democratic Party has had more. It wasn't Russia that back stabbed Bernie Sanders. Or fed Hillary the questions to the first debate. Used the IRS to audit Conservative groups that asked for tax exemption. Used the Attorney General and FBI to get charges dropped against Hillary so she could even run for President. Paid 12 million dollars for a fake dossier to use against Trump.

 

And you seem to be dancing and skipping around answering a very specific question by just repeating your blaming of Democrats. I haven't made ONE claim about anything, and yet here you are trying to put words in my mouth. Why don't you just answer the question: What did the GOP do after the 2000s recession that wasn't tried after the 2008/2009 crash?

A secondary question that you still haven't responded to: Why haven't you been able to admit the difference in magnitude between the two recessions?

 

Lets say he only lost those 5 million votes to one county. L.A. County alone has over 8 million voters. Most of the rest of the nation voted Red. Even several big states that have voted Blue for years.

 

I have answered you in detail you apparent just reject the answers and offer not rebuttal to them.

 

The facts are the Democrats took the Congress a year before the recession began, you have offered no proof the Republicans "caused" the recessions either one o them. The recession at the end of Bush's term, that year after the Democrats took the congress, was as deep as it was and as long as it was as a result in part to the lack of policies to mitigate the effects at the start and then the failed demand side policies they did try.

But of course you want to ignore that and just blame it on Republicans who were out of power.

And the Republicans never refused to work with Obama and the Democrats

 

So, even if that were true, it means nothing to the argument. What Trump one was a tainted victory with an awful lot of empty space.

 

The conditions for recession were created by the GOP from 1994 to 2006, and the Dems had not the time and Bush not the will or interest, and the GOP did not care one way or another to pass the necessary legislation that may have mitigated its effects.

 

Do explain why you are now so concerned about deficits when you supported to Democrats taking the Republican 2007 $161B to $1,400B in just two years and kept it over $1,000B for the next 3 years and their failed stimulus which saw unemployment blow past their promised 8% peak to 10% and stay above 9% for the next three. Why do you oppose the Republicans plans which produced full employment with average LFPR soaring tax revenues and balanced budgets or measly ones at the least.

 

Ruh-roh. 1Q 2018 GDP growth is estimated at an anemic 1.8%. And that's with Trump's exploding deficits.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/20/news/economy/economy-gdp-first-quarter/index.html

Compare that to Trump's predicted 4% GDP growth, or the 2.5% and small deficits that Obama left us with.

 

entirely outdated.

every other elected position is based on a popular vote. The president should be no different.

All things are equal. This is the 1780's anymore. We have instant access to information.

how?

STATES shouldn't have a say. PEOPLE should.
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More people live there, that's how it's fair. Having an entire state that has the population of some major cities having a greater voice than the majority runs counter to what this country stands for.

 

yes, we get it. trump won a whole lot more empty space. The actual voters, chose someone else.

 

Hardly. Trump won 4 of the 7 states with 10,000,000 or more people as well. Illegals voting in California =/= "actual voters".

 

Well if you look at states such as Ohio, Penn, Mich, Ill, Virgin, there are only a few counties that voted Blue and those aren't empty states with just a few big cities. Most of them were Blue states. You Libs just can't except the fact that most of the country didn't want Hillary or Democrats.

 

demonstrable reality.

more people voted for Clinton, than for trump.
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prove Clinton won because illegals voted.

 

Whose policies caused the mortgage crisis = the economelt?

 

yes, more wide open empty space was for trump. The American voters, chose Clinton.

 

Well, let's review.

George "Mr. Ownership Society" Bush was president, and the "business can regulate itself" Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate and the Administration during the entire time housing prices skyrocketed to their absurd bubble levels and then started tanking. The Democrats were a minority party during this entire time without the power to pass a law on chewing gum.

But let me predict your answer: It's the Democrats fault.

 

Yup, Trump got enough democrats votes to secure victory.

 

Wrong. The CRA(Clinton), forcing banks to take on high risk loans or face Federal prosecutions for "racial bias" , plus Bill Clinton rescinding the executive order banning investment houses from trading in mortgage securities,as well as the executive order requiring a 3 year waiting period for former administration members taking jobs in the industries they regulated,( his adm.FLOODED the financial sector, immediately after leaving his employ) and the asinine move of putting the taxpayers on the hook for more than half of the nation's mortgages, and nearly ALL of the sub-prime ones, via the GSE's . Every time the Bush Adm. sought to reel in Fanny and Freddie, they were accused of "RACISM"....

The ingredients that caused the mortgage collapse, and subsequent economelt, were ALL OUT IN THE MIX BY THE DEMOCRATS...who then, naturally, BLMED BUSH.

 

To lose, and she did that quite badly.

 

no, she won the election. She lost the presidency, because the EC selected trump.

 

You're wrong again. It's not a "fact" at all. It's your deceived belief.

The RW propaganda is strong with this one.

From the Treasury Department, the source of your debt figures:

Monthly Treasury Statement

These files contain the monthly receipts/outlays and deficit/surplus of the United States published in Table 1 of the Monthly Treasury Statement, for fiscal years 1981-2014. The figures reflect backdated adjustments and may be amended (monthly) based on agency reporting.

http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/current.htm

Here's the data for FY2000:

Period - Receipts - Outlays - Deficit/Surplus(-)
Oct-99 121,035 r147,361 r26,326
Nov-99 121,375 r148,406 27,031
Dec-99 201,196 168,114 -33,081
Jan-00 189,478 127,326 -62,152
Feb-00 108,675 150,409 41,734
Mar-00 135,582 170,962 35,380
Apr-00 r295,151 r135,653 -159,497
May-00 146,002 149,612 3,611
Jun-00 214,875 r158,986 -55,888
Jul-00 134,074 r129,013 -5,061
Aug-00 138,128 148,555 10,427
Sep-00 r219,490 r153,743 -65,747

Cumulative for 12 months ending Sep (FY2000): -$236.917 billion (Surplus)

I don't find the revenue & expenses numbers over FY2000 match the numbers you provided me.



Here is your source, US Treasury Department, Monthly Treasury Statement (MTS) for Sept 30, 2000, summarizing the budget, receipts, outlays, surplus or deficit for FY2000:

http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0900.pdf

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Summary:

"On budget" receipts: $1.544 trillion
"On budget" outlays": $1.457 trillion
On-budget surplus: $87.175 billion.

Total receipts: $ 2.025 trillion
Total outlays: $1.827 trillion
Total surplus: $237 billion