January 6 Hearing Session 2: Willful Ignorance.

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  1. spiritgide

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    But you do these things with a scale that always has your foot on one side.
     
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    this is all pre-trial, assuming there will be one at all. If there is a trial, rest assured drunk Giuliani will be able to ask each witness about aliens, double agents, antifa and fbi conspiracies
     
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    No, that one I'd have to see for myself.

    I'm not waving a flag, or a magic wand, or pulling bee ess out of a hat. I'll leave that to Trump and his supporters. I'm not a believer ... I prefer knowledge to belief.

    You're very much mistaken about what influences my opinions. I call them facts. I would ask you to provide facts proving that there was massive enough fraud in any district to sway the election's outcome, but if such evidence existed, I'm fairly certain that Trump would have already taken that evidence to court.

    Just because you are swayed by partisan bias doesn't mean everyone else is.
     
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    There is no concrete evidence of fraud, or there would be indictments. That of course does not mean it didn't happen- only that they haven't found the details to prove it.
    To me- believing there was no fraud is directly the equivalent to believing what you see a magician do. Any rational person knows it's an illusion, a trick- despite not knowing how it was done of being able to prove how. That, and I find it very hard to believe the American people could actually be that stupid.
     
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    You think we're stupid if we did not want another four years of the Toddler in Chief? Seriously?

    You're welcome to your suspicions about the 2020 election, but sorry, no, you don't get to claim fraud without proof, and you should not be so disrespectful to your fellow Americans just because they refuse to indulge conspiracy theories.
     
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    Disrespectful to people- the kind who gave trump misery over the border and are now happy with the president violating federal immigration law every day> The guy who blew the Afghanistan withdrawel?
    Same people who want less police and more crime? Stupid for insulting while ignoring their own massive failures? It fits. But you have the right to do that. Stupid for electing the disaster that is now in office? Yes, for those who actually voted for him and continue to turn a blind eye to the disastrous consequences. As for those votes that magically appeared, we don't yet know who to hold accountable. They weren't stupid votes either. Nor were they legal ones.

    The majority of those who hate Trump couldn't do the job he's done for a day. Worse- they haven't a clue to the fact that the Biden administration is mostly a dumpster fire- in their dumpster. Lot of people in America today who can't cut it, and want our leaders to become their "parents" taking care of them. They trade their loyalty for the promise of it. Pitiful condition- and those people ARE NOT smart.
     
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    You do know this is not a trial, right?
    This is a hearing to present the committee findings.
    The Trump cabal will have their opportunity to cross examine...when they are tried for their crimes.

    Of course, Donald, Little Donald and al the rest could testify before the committee, UNDER OATH.
    But I'm pretty sure they don't want that.
     
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    Whether or not I disagree with your assessment of Trump's performance office, you opinion of his performance is irrelevant.

    He lost
    He knew he lost
    He led a violent attempt to overthrow the government
    He scammed his followers out of some $250M

    Trump's criminality, not his performance is the question here.

    As for your Trump support?
    People liked Mussolini because he "made the trains run on time."
    People liked Hitler because he promised to "Make Germany Great Again"
    All dictators are loved by "the people."
    That is, until they are not.
    That happens when the dictator, as always happens, destroys the country he rules to maintain power.
    I don't want a dictator.
     
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    But apparently you do if you voted for Biden.
    Schools are now showing the signs; calling parents who protest obnoxious programs and policies"domestic terrorists", and threatening to file charges against kids who use the wrong pronouns in addressing other kids who they have confused about their own sexuality. The intent behind this is to splinter and confuse people- because that makes them weak and easy to manipulate. Dozens of examples across society of sucj things; punishing you for objecting to the most objectionable things.... and buddy, that IS dictator strategy. Biden himself couldn't find his way home on the white house lawn.... but the people who are pulling his strings know exactly where they want to go, and Biden is just a temporary figurehead. When you elected him- you elected all that trash behind him.

    The election was rigged, dozens of red flags left no other rational conclusion. The fact no legally pursued evidence is at hand is questionable too- because what's evidence these days gets noticed on the basis of it's political value. But we hardly need proof to know something is wrong, even though we don't know how it happened. The best planned crimes often are not even recognized as crimes.

    Jan 6th was an 'Insurrection", because the people were demanding a forensic audit of the election. But the burning of Minneapolis, followed by hundreds of other riots and billions in damages- were "mostly peaceful demonstrations". They resulted in concessions to demand of reducing police- which is a move to increase crime. There are people behind this that are following a playbook, not working for the benefit of the nation at all. It's the biggest gas-lighting in history. Obviously, you don't recognize any of it. Except the part where they told you Trump was a criminal, you bought that. Actually, they are after you and I; trump was just in the way- an obstacle.

    Trumo once said- "They aren't really after me; thy're after you... I'm just in their way". Events are proving that true, everyday.
     
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    An idiotic, foolish opening remark showing absolutely no thought beyond what you're trained to say by Fox et al is unworthy of response.

    There is absolutely no evidence supporting any of your lies.
     
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    Denial is only proof you aren't paying attention.
    Everywhere you look- democrat and disaster come together.
    They have no honor problem because they have forgotten what that is.
    You support a president that probably uses a flashlight to check the time at night, on his sundial.
    Fell down the steps to his airplane. Couldn't find the door to the whitehouse after arriving on a helicopter. Fell off his bicycle today. Doesn't know who is president from time to time.
    If it were a comedy show- it would be like the three stooges, and amusing. It's not.
    Perhaps you hadn't noticed such things because you were too busy hanging trash.
     
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    Your response and OP are proof positive you pay attention.
    To liars and charlatans.

    I support a president who is President to 100% of the country.
    Not the 15% that that bow to Trumpery.
     
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    Worst lies are the ones you tell yourself.
    IF a Trump/Biden election were held today, every poll and Las Vegas odds-makers agree- Biden loses.

    From the Las Vegas Review- Journal:

    Trump widens lead over Biden in 2024 election odds
    "Donald Trump’s chances to be elected president again in 2024 are the best since he left the White House in January 2021.
    Trump is the clear betting favorite to win the 2024 U.S. presidential election."


    You can't name a single thing Biden hasn't botched, but you can name a lot of things he should never have done, and a lot of things he should have done that are ignored.
    Across the board- this man and his cronies are killing America. I don't hate Biden, I hate Biden's incompetence, his lack of character, his botching job after job, and the arrogance of his denials.

    I've voted for several democrat presidents- but then, democrats have degraded themselves and have little in common with those of 30 years ago.
    It's not the basic party, it's the people supporting it and promoting all the wrong values. They haven't been half-honest with the public in decades, now they are going for zero.

    You hate Trump- but you can't legitimately name and failure of consequence, unless it was something torpedoed by the dems.
    You are the one spoon fed the propaganda pablum. You're running with the small dogs, pal.
     
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    Prove Giuliani was drunk. Was a breathalyzer test ever administered... this is the kind of garbage the left keeps eating up... and the man who said that was never cross examined so this is just one more lie being told...
     
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    LOL who cares?... if he's not drunk, that just makes it worse. Guy is f'ing nuts.
     
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    If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their asses on the ground.

    Trump and his crime family will soon be in a federal prison.

    Polls? Tell me again ;little one how you people don't believe in polls. BWAHAHAHAHA

    Hate? I hate no one.
    I do admit ..
    That Trump WILLINGLY hid the seriousness of COVID and allowed hundreds of thousands of Americans to die so he could stay in power.
    That Trump's "wall" was nothng more than a grift giving sole sources to his buddies to deliver defective "walls" that are falling down.
    That Trump betrayed Ukraine leading to this war
    That Trump Lost the election
    That Trump tried to destroy our democracy so he could hold power
    That Trump had destroyed the lives and career as of anyone who ever supported him.
    That Trump is a criminal, from Trump-U to bogus charities...

    Why don't you turn off Fox and open a newspaper (or news site)
    Read news.
    Not opinion.
    form your own opinions and stop echoing what you hear Carlson et al shout at you every day.
    When you do that you will be surprised how little we disagree.
     
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    Do you think the Biden crime family and Joe's treasonous presidency deserves the same treatment?
     
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    See what hate does to people? Turns them into total jackasses that can't reason of think- with no basis in reality.
    hell of a waste of humanity.
     
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