Jeb Bush hardens position, says he opposes gay marriage

Psssst! Jeb is not a conservative.

 

He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. I pressed him on this once. He felt that the issue of gay marriage was less important than the rights of committed life partners and that he'd rather see the draconian laws set up around the denial of rights be addressed than the mere act of granting those same rights to two people who have a piece of paper binding them.

 

I've never voted Democrat in my life and have no plans to do so in the near future, but I don't understand your hatred towards gay people. You've created several threads about this. How do you feel about abortion? That hasn't stopped you from voting Democrat?

 

I do not see how supporting traditional marriage is necessarily in opposition to gay marriage.
Unfortunately, "supporting traditional marriage" seems to have become a euphemism.

 

So why not just go ahead and present your position rationally, and show that it is NOT bigotry, but instead rests on intelligence and reason.

I think there is a philosophy in law, or anyway in the American system, that the rights granted to the people belong to all the people except and until there is some compelling reason to deprive any citizen of those rights. Generally, rights are removed either by courts (due to commission of crimes), or for demonstrable reasons of competence (that is, exceptions are made for children, and for those with mental disorders like Alzheimers).

So there seem to be two questions here: (1) Is marriage a right granted to everyone except for compelling reasons to disallow it; and (2) If so, is there any compelling reason to disallow it in the case of people of the same sex.

So far, courts have consistently ruled that no such compelling reason exists, while some politicians have appealed to those who feel that their own personal dislike of the idea is sufficiently compelling. The courts' criterion, involving due process as it does, is clearly quite different from the voters' criterion, which involves emotional responses.

Personally, I don't think everyone who is uncomfortable with this sort of change is a bigot. That label should be reserved for those who would deprive people of their rights not for any compelling reason, and not because they are themselves harmed in any way, but just because.

What do you think?

 

What's interesting is that his "rather see" reasoning is ridiculous, because one argument wouldn't contradict the other. Though I guess if you ask enough black people you'll find one who believes we should re-institute slavery.

 

Jeb needs to search out a subject where he can find an answer that doesn't just make him sound STUPID.

And, it's for darn sure that subject isn't marriage.

 

Bruce Jenner is a conservative and said that he thought some Republicans might accept him for being transgendered. The fact is, even a "moderate" like Jeb Bush is still out of touch on an issue that American has already decided -- with an overwhelming number of Americans accepting homosexuality.

Two steps forward, one step back.

 

Like Hell he is.

 

The word "homophobia", I don't think it means what people think it means. A phobia is an "irrational fear". First off, let's all note how irrational is subjective. Let's say one of Sandusky's victims would grow to be afraid of gay men. Irrational? Maybe to you, but to that kid now turned adult it's a rational survival mechanism.

Then, let's quantify it even further: "An irrational fear of gay men". How do we identify a fear of gay men? Considering that sexuality is an orientation and considering that the vast majority of people are not gay and therefore do not identify sexually with gays, the very nature of the polar opposing spectrum would "show" fear to some Liberal.

But not to anyone who knows psychology as well as I do. Indeed, for a heterosexual to be repulsed by gay people is very natural. It's their sexual orientation. You would want us to accept gay orientation, but deny heterosexual orientation? If people don't want to see a public kissing scene on national TV, that's not homophobic. That's public viewing of a sexual(or shall we call it intimate act) that the vast majority of people have no interest in seeing.

One might view violent acts(or even slurs) against LBGT members as homophobic, but that's not true either. That's just flat out discrimination and bigotry. That's hatred, not fear. Fear is "OMG, a gay person I don't want to be near them." Normally, we'd call that fear. But because of sexual orientation, it's hard to differentiate between feeling fear because he's gay, or staying true to one's own orientation that happens to be on the opposite polarity.

To put it simply, homophobia is a nice politically charged word that has little or no basis in reality, since we can hardly prove it.

 

Typical post full of anti-Christian bigotry. If you believe in traditional marriage and suddenly find you are now a homophobe who wants a theocracy, then those who are for gay marriage are just a bunch of anti-Christian bigots. Hate is a double edged sword.

 

I don't find anything "homophobic" in Jeb Bush words.

I guess the one who wrote the title of this thread is a "heterophobic."

 

That sounds pretty ignorant. Engaging in a homosexual encounter is not equivalent to being gay. Those are two entirely different things.

Of the hundreds of thousands of male teenagers who engaged in homosexual encounters during their adolescence, only a few percent are gay.

That's reality. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

 

No. There is legitimate fear in some cases. It may come from ignorance, but that is not equivalent to bigotry.

No offense, but that never counted for much. They used to burn people at the stake, remember?

The religious righties claim ownership of the word "marriage". For some reason it seems to be important to them from a religious standpoint.

Personally I never did give a rat's patootie about the church's blessing (or even the judge's), but that's just me, YMMV.

 

Man I still ain't found him and I'm atleast 10k bottles in to it. What a crappy contest.

 

Maybe you're drinkin' the wrong kind of liquor?

Some people find a worm and think it's God.... I dunno....

 

Who is talking about teenage experimentation here? Do teens also experiment with gay marriage? LOL! You fail in your effort to derail.Try again.

 

Perhaps old Jeb is just playing to his base like Obama did when he was against gay marriage. Are you not going to help elect Jeb and see if his view on gay marriage will "evolve" like Obama's did?

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Again, says who? Says you? Meh....

 

You were the one who raised the issue of genitalia. The rest of us were talking about marriage. Duh?

 

Gay marriage and interracial marriage was where I raised the issue. Catch up.

 

You still made a false statement, and if you were interested in truth and reality you would learn from your error.

 

What false statement?

 

I doubt most people care compared to jobs, the economy and health care.



Nope barely even made the list at .5%

 

It would be nice to have a social conservative candidate in that party with the backbone to stand up to the religious loons, wouldn't it? This is why the two-party system just doesn't work. It does not represent the real political spectrum in this country very well when everyone has to lumped into one of just two parties.

I want nothing to do with the Religious Wrong, but at the same time I want nothing to do with Big Government "liberals" who think that more government is the answer to everything. Where the h-bomb is my candidate or party? Oh, that's right, they're garnering single digit percentages of voter support every election because they're automatically assumed to be "spoilers" and "unelectable" by the masses.

 

sex·u·al o·ri·en·ta·tion
noun
noun: sexual orientation; plural noun: sexual orientations

a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted; the fact of being heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.