Jodi Ann Arias convicted of Murder 1. Why she should get life, NOT the death penalty.

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    Regarding those who have chanted the death penalty for Jodi Ann Arias killing Travis Victor Alexander. Yes, Jodi Ann Arias is a murderess and must be punished which my view is life in prison without parole and the crowds view the death penalty. But I don't know either person & have no vested interest in this. Wondering Hummingbird, Margot, etc. what you think about people chanting for or against whether Jodi Ann Arias should get the death penalty when they don't have a vested interest in the case and don't even know who the murderess and her victim were ? Yes, it's their free speech right but my view is the only opinions that matter are those of the friends and families of both Travis V. Alexander and Jodi Ann Arias as to whether she should live or die because they're the 1s who knew them and have an interest in this while we don't.
     
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    One more time .... Fuhrman was contacted by the publishing house to write his side of the OJ case after he left law enforcement... or come to think of it, m/b they contacted him before he left and he agreed to.... IT DOESN'T MATTER!

    What matters is it was HIS life, HIS choice to do what he wanted to do w/it and it's none of your business!

    People do have the right to earn as much $ as they want to as long as it's done legally, regardless of what line of work they're in.....

    What makes you think that a stranger has to prove their good intentions to YOU? They don't have to, so get used to it......
     
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    He should've refused by saying that he was a cop and he's not going to violate the oath he took which includes to not get rich. Yes, he left law enforcement, but that doesn't matter. Detective Mark J. Furhman should give all the $ he has earned to the govt. or something related to law enforcement such as training police dogs or service dogs for the blind and handicapped. No, Detective Mark J. Furhman didn't do anything illegal making money, but again, we have a right to wonder what his intent is because taxpayers paid his salary. He knows his job when he became a police officer and later Detective was public service work, so even after he left law enforcement, he should've stayed with his Oath he took which is to not get rich. It is our business because if you want to become a cop and your interest is to get rich, then find another job because to repeat, the idea of becoming a cop, fire Dept. or paramedic is public service which continues even after you retire. Cops, paramedics, EMT & firemen(women) should not get rich because these jobs are again helping the public. With Jodi Ann Arias, hopefully none of the police officers, paramedics or any1 else involved in this case will get rich from this. After the Jodi Ann Arias ends, the cops, etc. must either continue their jobs in law enforcement protecting public or they can retire and get a pension. Most of the cops who arrested and helped the prosecution prove Jodi Ann Arias is a murderess will continue with what they do.
     
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    I have a question..... if a cop or anyone in public service wins the Lotto, you think they have no right to claim that money?
     
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    They should have no right to claim that money-the $ should go to police :dog:, service & rescue :dog:, etc. In fact, it's fine with me if they have a law which forbids people in police, Fire Dept., paramedic, etc. from claiming lottery money. In fact, I don't think rich people should be allowe to play the Lotto because lotteries should be for people who need the $. Any1 who makes let's say $200,000 or more a year should not be allowed to play the lottery unless they have many kids to support, so on. There's a law which forbids criminals such as Jodi Ann Arias from profiting from her crime in that her art can't be sold for money. Since Jodi Ann Arias will go to prison for life, she won't get rich. Jodi Ann Arias has not paid taxes since 2008, she does not have to file tax returns. Jodi Ann Arias will never have to pay taxes again. Taxpayers will have to pay for the prison where Jodi Ann Arias will be kept for rest of her life. If Jodi Ann Arias goes to solitary confinement where she's locked 23 hours a day, she won't have to work again.
     
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    I see...... so according to you, there should be a law that forbids a person who goes into public service has no right to ever be rich - whether thru their own hard work or winning the lotto.......

    How about inheriting wealth thru a relative - they shouldn't have that either? No, according to you - of course not. They're not entitled b/c they're public servants......

    You have a pretty low opinion of cops, firefighters, emt's, etc - don't you?

    mod edit>>>Stop the PAs
     
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    mod edit>>>Stop the PAs I have a high view of cops, fire, EMT, etc. I just don't think they should get rich from what they do. Cops can give their $ to other family. You become a cop to end crime, not to get rich. There are cops, fire, EMT who agree with me. But that's off topic & getting away from Jodi Ann Arias.
     
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    Say whatever you want, call me whatever you want - I don't care!

    For anyone to think people who work in public service should be DENIED the privilege and RIGHT of becoming wealthy, either by their own work, winning the lottery or by inheritance - a RIGHT that is allowed all other Americans, including the politicians! Aren't they also considered public servants?

    That's some real stinkin' thinkin' you have going there, Leroy. To think a law should be passed to deny that right and opportunity to cops, firefighters, etc.....

    Those men and women have families also, kids they'd like to send to college, etc..... that the rich POLITICIANS, who also work for the people can easily do for their kids.....

    And I don't believe for a minute that a cop, firefighter, EMT, etc agreed w/you that if they won the Lotto, received a wealthy inheritance, they wouldn't want it....... bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Politicians usually are rich before they became politicians such as Presidential Candidates Willard Mitt Romney and Richard J. Santorum were both rich before they ran for office because you have to raise alot of $ for campaigning, so politicians being wealthy or @least middle class is a moot point.But cops, paramedics, EMT and Fire Dept. make good money for the work they do and they get pension after they retire, so they are not poor and they should not be. You'd be surprised @ the # of cops, paramedics, Firemen who will say that they are n/i in getting rich but in helping others. Those are the people who Police Departments, Fire Depts. want to hire, people who believe in public service not money, so no surprise. Not every1 is interested in $ & material things, so you need to stop believing every1 thinks the way you do when it comes to $ because there are cops, paramedics, EMT, etc. who will say they care about helping others because to them it's more important than money and material things.

    The children of cops, EMT, Fire Dept can use the money their parents give them to go to college and to repeat-cops, EMT and Fire Dept. make good money. Incidentally, with Catholic priests, most of them are not interested in material things. But let's stay with Jodi Ann Arias. Don't expect the cops who arrested Jodi Ann Arias and helped the prosecution prove her guilty will write books about this to make millions. It's illegal for cops to accept rewards for arresting criminals because that's their job. So in my view, it must also be prohibited for cops, prosecutors to make millions for proving Jodi Ann Arias is a murderess. The $ that cops and corrections officers make (when Jodi Ann Arias goes to prison) must be what they make an hour to do their job and they make good income.
     
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    Something new. As Jodi Ann Arias is going to prison for rest of her life, assuming she isn't executed or doesn't commit suicide, it's likely that Jodi Ann Arias will become menopausal when she is 45 years old vs. the normal age of 50 when women usually become menopausal though some later such as 52. They found from the Nazi concentration camps that Jewess women who weren't killed in gas vans or worked & starved to death, became menopausal earlier as they were starved, stress of whether they'd be next to be exterminated, depression, etc. No, Jodi Ann Arias is not going to a concentration camp. But life in prison, 23 hours in solitary confinement a day with her depression can make her get old faster and it's possible that Jodi Ann Arias will become menopausal when she is 45 years old. Prison makes people older than they are. Debra Jean Milke (born 1964) an Arizona woman who was on death row from 1991 to 2013 before her conviction was overturned became menopausal in prison and she says she is innocent. Jodi Ann Arias with her depression and crying will get old in prison.
     
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    And a lot of politicians, also known as public servants are a helluva richer when they leave office.... and you know it.

    To think that a certain class of citizens should be discriminated against b/c of their career choice and a law should be passed to prevent them from earning extra $, can't accept lottery winnings and can't accept an inheritance is........ absolutely mind-boggling. Alright, so you don't believe in 'fairness' and 'equality'...... got it.

    Have you ever given any tho't that if there was such a discriminating law against the public service positions, not many people of high caliber would go into that line of work? Why should they when they know up front that if they got lucky in the lottery or grandpa left them a wealthy inheritance, they'd have to refuse it? No one in their right mind would go into a field of work where there's blatant discrimination.....

    I never said anything about everyone should be interested in $ and material stuff - that's not what this is about. It's about everyone has the right to earning extra $, lottery winnings, inheritance, etc....in our land of freedom and opportunities.......
     
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    Why are you so interested in when a woman goes thru her menopause and the reason why?

    Yes, we all know that prison life is a very unhealthy environment....
     
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    Hummingbird, thought of what you wrote & have modified my view. If a cop, paramedic, EMT or fireman (I like old word) wants to play lottery & they win millions, then yes, that should be their right. If a cop, paramedic, EMT, fire, etc. inherits millions from a rich relative, then yes, they should have a legal right to that. Also support the right of cops, paramedics, EMT & Fire to learn a new job including those that pay them millions because people have a right to go into a job. But, if they become rich such as winning the lottery or inheriting millions of $, then they must retire from their jobs as cops, paramedics, EMT or Fire Dept. Millionaire cops, paramedics, etc. are not the people who should work in public service. The people who work in public service must be people who do it because they want to help others & not get rich from it.

    With Detective Mark J. Fuhrman, if after his law enforcement career, if he had wanted to become a CEO of a computer company and make millions as a businessman, then that's fine with me as it's unrelated to his past job in law enforcement, but that he would have to forfeit his pension. But since Det. Mark J. Furhman wrote a book on the Simpson case and got rich from it, that I am against because he is profiting from what was his job-investigate the 1994 double murder, arrest OJ SImpson as he believed OJ did it and then help the prosecution prove OJ Simpson's guilt. My view on having a law which forbids people who make let's say $200,000 or more a year from winning lottery $ remains the same. Donald J. Trump should not be allowed to play the lottery. Also I support a law which forbids millionaires from getting Social Security or Unemployment benefits. Lotteries where if you get lucky you get rich, Social Security and so on, must only go to people who need the $. Millionaires must pay for Social Security for the poor, but they must not be collect Social Security in most cases unless they can justify why they need the $ such as if they're becoming bankrup, etc.

    With Jodi Ann Arias, reason menopause is discussed is to discuss likelihood that Jodi Ann Arias will get old quickly in prison including menopause, as Jodi Ann Arias is crying in prison, getting sad, old & lonely, crying about how she missed out on having kids, wearing dentures, etc. Yes, Jodi Ann Arias did this to herself by committing murder and going to prison for life. But Hummingbird, that doesn't mean that people can't feel some sadness for her. Seeing Jodi Ann Arias crying when Travis V. Alexander's family make Victim Impact Statements. Mr. Hayden of myfoxPhoenix said & we saw on TV Jodi Ann Arias crying and seeing a tear roll down the right side of her cheek down her glasses when she was being interviewed. Yes to repeat, Jodi Ann Arias did this to herself, but people can still feel some sadness for Jodi Ann Arias. Hopefully, Travis V. Alexander's family can also feel some sadness for Jodi Ann Arias and want her life spared, but it's Travis Victor Alexander's family who will have to decide if they can feel sadness for murderess Jodi Ann Arias. If you have thoughts, then please share, thanks.
     
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    Nice of you to lighten up and decide that cops, firefighters, etc should be allowed to receive their lottery winnings, inheritance..... their income, regardless of how they accumulate it should not be restricted. We live in America........ not some socialist, fascist country.....

    As far as Social Security goes. When a person works all their adult life, pays into SS for 30-40 yrs until retirement - that's their money! If they got lucky and won the lotto or inherited a vast sum, it should be up to that person who worked for that $ what they wanted to do w/it - keep it for themselves or turn it back to the government......

    I have a friend who's quite wealthy - not filthy rich, but has enuf. She worked hard for yrs and paid into SS - she said she really doesn't need her SS $, but collects it anyway...... why not? It's hers. What she does w/it is help the needy. Personally - herself. Doesn't hand over any check to a charity, but finds out who is really needy and helps them personally w/food, clothes, paying a utility bill, etc... she's quite a gal and had never let her $ change her values, like most do..........

    You feel sad for Arias. I do not. I don't feel any sadness or sympathy for cold-stone killers like her. And Casey Anthony is another, altho no proof if she deliberately killed her child or not - she threw her body away and went out dancing......

    Of course, Arias is going to grow old in prison, just like we all grow old in our homes.... it's called "life".....
     
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    Didn't follow the Casey Marie Anthony case. If she is innocent, then it's too bad she lost 3 years of her life in prison. If she did murder her baby daughter as many believe, then she will have to live with it. She was acquitted. Sean Patrick Hannity believes there were reasonable doubts in that case as did the jury who acquitted her. But with neutrality including here on Jodi Ann Arias, it's best for cops not to be friends with the victim's family & friends, so that there can be neutrality in solving a case.

    What this means is that in Jodi Ann Arias case, the cops & prosecutors must do their job which they have done to prove that Jodi Ann Arias is a murderess who must go to prison for rest of her life. Travis V. Alexander's family should and they have already thanked the Mesa P.D. and prosecutor for doing their job in convicting murderess Jodi Ann Arias. There would be nothing wrong for Mesa P.D. and the prosecutor to be friends with Travis V. Alexander's family but for neutrality it's best that they go their separate ways after this case is over. The reason is that it's cops deal with many crimes and they must treat all cases with neutrality. Yes, it's sometimes inevitable such as if a cop's friend or family member is a crime victim or suspected criminal. But just as it's best for a lawyer not to represent some1 who is a friend or family member or themselves (a lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client) or as it's best for a heart surgeon not to operate on a friend or family member who has had a heart attack, it's also best for cops to avoid cases where a friend or family member is a crime victim or suspected criminal and have another cop who has no relation to the victim or suspected criminal to solve the case. It's not always avoidable, but it's best that after the Jodi Ann Arias case ends, Travis V. Alexander's family thank the Mesa P.D. and prosecutor for what they did but then both go their own ways, so as to get neutrality.
     
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    funinsnow said,

    I don't believe anything that has come from her mouth is the truth. I think she has told so many lies she does not know the truth from lies. I believe her journals are not even authentic...she wrote them because she knew they would be evidence. I even believe the phone sex was a set up. Who has phone sex and says......"hey what did you tell me to do, could you say that louder?" He was like most ordinary guys....Is shaving ones self in a private area....dressing up in a harmless outfit....and brushing your hair a certain way....sick? LOL If so I think most of America is sick. I believe they started out thinking that there might be something to their relationship. I think she got consuming...and stalked.... she was possessive. I think she did not want him to have friends, especially girls. She was selfish and narcissistic and wanted his undivided attention and if she did not get it...she pouted and kicked her feet. In testimony it was presented by a witness that once at a party, Jodi did not get his attention and stormed out...walking around the block. She came back hours later...wanting him to worry. Said she found a little lost puppy. A compulsive liar.
    I think when he told her they were done, she didn't take no seriously. When she saw him on the couch with another woman (she was stalking) that did it. And when she found out he was taking her on a tropical vacation...that did it. So she plotted.....and planned. And being the sexual deviant she is...she lured him in sexually and then slaughtered him. That picture of him in the shower looking sideways is haunting. It's like he knew what was going on.

    There is nothing wrong with asking someone to dress up in an outfit. Half the entertainers out there performing are dresses up. Why? Fantasy....they want to turn on their viewers...the males. Look at Victoria Secret....you don't think they have kinky outfits in there?
     
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    This was a tragic case....because the truth did not come out. What I find appalling is the fact the jury did NOT FIND HER NEGLIGENT OF EVEN CHILD ENDANGERMENT. Casey went over one month...without reporting her missing. During this month...she had a ball...partying and whoring around. What mother would do that...when their child could be missing? dead? Casey knew where her daughter was. DEAD.
    They found evidence on their family computer....HOW TO BREAK A NECK. Who looks up stuff like that?
    Nothing ever would change my mind on this....she killed her.

    In any case she is a monster.
     
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    Thanks Churchmouse for your thoughts. Agree with you that Jodi Ann Arias is cunning, manipulative murderess who must spend rest of her life in prison. Why Jodi Ann Arias committed murder, only she knows but you're likely right as to why she did it. You're right about Victoria Secret models, but it's just my view that it's best for a man to want a woman who looks like a woman, not a 12 year old girl. What I've found odd is that many men born 1979 or later don't like to see pubic hair on a woman and that is odd for a man to want a woman who looks like a girl instead of a woman.

    Jodi Ann Arias in pleading with jury showed pictures of when she was a girl, that she can do sign language & teach Spanish to prisoners, etc. Her lawyer argued that she was 27 years old when she committed murder, that Jodi Ann Arias has talent esp. her art. Yes, Jodi Ann Arias is intelligent and talented but the prosecutor said that talent doesn't mitigate when compared to crime and that Travis Victor Alexander will be 30 forever as he was murdered when he was 30. The prosecutor did a good job rebutting the fact she was only 27 years old when she committed murder as that part was a weak argument by her lawyer as soldiers go to war when they're 18. What the prosecutor could've said regarding Jodi Ann Arias childhood photos is that yes, Jodi Ann Arias was once a little girl, however a cute little girl is not who she is now. My belief is again that she should get life in prison without parole. We will learn what jury will decide when it comes to whether she gets life without parole or death penalty.
     
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    Jury mistrial on death penalty. Not surprised. We'll learn if prosecutor seeks death penalty or decides life in prison is good enough w/o seeking death. The jury did what they believe is right and as they saw the trial for 4.5 months. Prosecution will speak with Travis Victor Alexander's family and then prosecution will decide after review whether they want to seek death penalty and then a new jury will have to decide whether Jodi Ann Arias will get death penalty or life in prison. This jury was not influenced by media. For a neutral jury, while it's possibly unavoidable they got exposed to some media coverage, the fact is that they were not so influenced as they were unable to give Jodi Ann Arias the death penalty. Hopefully, Jodi Ann Arias will get life in prison without parole, so that we won't keep hearing about this. Even if she gets death penalty, it's going to be in appeals for many years before the death penalty is carried out unless she dies in prison. Give Jodi Ann Arias life in prison without parole. Travis V. Alexander's family is getting sick of this and want to move on with their lives. Let's hope this ends soon, because this case took more than 4.5 months and it's best that Jodi Ann Arias gets life in prison without parole.
     
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    It's possible that if the prosecution does decide to go for 2nd trial asking for death penalty, that the case could be moved out of Maricopa County or even to another state such as California. Phoenix Arizona weather is too hot especially from mid April to early October. Sheriff Arpaio has said that he forbids anymore media interviews with Jodi Ann Arias. It's possible he is again putting Jodi Ann Arias on suicide watch.

    Travis Victor Alexander's family said they won't comment until after sentencing. They got sick of this case a long time ago and want to go on with their lives. But Travis V. Alexander's family watched the trial everyday & cried many tears. It's something Travis V. Alexander's family must decide but to go through this if the prosecutor decides to go with a 2nd trial where the death penalty is asked is alot as even it was admitted that a jury giving the death penalty is hard. If any of you have thoughts, then please comment. The jury in Jodi Ann Arias case had hard time giving the death penalty, because death penalty is not an easy topic, though many think so. Finally, it's more expensive to send Jodi Ann Arias to death row than it is to give Jodi Ann Arias life without parole.
     
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    Churchmouse, interested in your thoughts as I created this topic hoping for replies from others but hope you can give your view. First, 1 juror who was interviewed said which was same view as I saw the trial. That juror said Jodi Ann Arias mostly lied on 18 days, that verbal abuse did happen but that it's no excuse to commit Murder 1 but that the death penalty was a hard choice. The jurors Churchmouse did a good job evaluating proof, convicting her of Murder 1 but were divided on death penalty 8 for death penalty and 4 against this.

    But here's something more. It's my view Churchmouse that instead of having a domestic violence law, they just make laws easy with assault & battery. What this means is that if a man hits his wife or girlfriend or in some cases if a woman hits her husband or boyfriend, the person should be arrested by the cops for assault & battery and prosecuted for this. Whether it's misdemeanor assault & battery or felony assault & battery would depend on seriousness of injuries, weapons used, past convictions and if girlfriend, wife, husband or boyfriend is killed, then it's murder. It shouldn't matter whether the victim is stranger or some1 you know, it's assault & battery (misdemeanor or felony) or if the victim is killed, it's murder as it was Jodi Ann Arias was convicted of murder.

    Travis V. Alexander tolerated Jodi Ann Arias stalking him and in the end he was murdered. If Travis V. Alexander had called the cops to report her stalking him, then hopefully she would've been arrested, convicted and hopefully changed herself. But Travis V. Alexander to repeat tolerated this and in the end, it got him murdered. Finally to repeat, we know what Travis Victor Alexander reported when it came to Jodi Ann Arias stalking him, but to again repeat, it's possible Jodi Ann Arias had committed assault & battery on Travis V. Alexander or even threatened him with a knife only Travis V. Alexander didn't report this to his friends. Men are more likely to tolerate women stalking them and Travis V. Alexander figured that because he was a man he could handle Jodi Ann Arias abusing him. Hope you and Hummingbird can comment as hoping to get new views as have written 4 posts in a row and hoping for others to comment. Hope you have comments. Thanks. Finally, as some1 who used to live in both Glendale and Chandler Arizona, the Phoenix area is too hot, so don't know how people can live there with the heat-Phoenix weather which includes Glendale and Chandler (opposite sides of town) is only optimal from November to March.
     
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    I have lived out here for 13 years...hate the weather and miss the seasons. Would move in a heartbeat if family was not here. Chandler is usually hotter than Phoenix by the way. Yes we have wonderful winters...not really winter...just a cooler fall.

    I was consumed with this trial...as I love real crime cases. I do not believe Travis was verbally abusive. I don't think this was proven, not in the footage I watched. I believe she manufactured the journal, and set him up on the phone. She lied about his sexuality as far as the young boys go...there was no proof. She was basically bashing his character to make him look bad. Now was he perfect? NO. I do believe for sex...he led her along full well knowing he would never marry her. Not all American males would do this...but I bet a large percentage would. So in this regard...leading her along, having phone sex )which by the way was so lame it was hilarious) sorta kinky sex...(didn't think it was that outrageous) was pretty much typical make behavior. What guy is gonna turn phone sex down? As far as anal sex goes....LMAO....that I think is the kinkiest part. And she is the one who brought this into the relationship...as she did it with her previous boyfriends. So before his eyes...he had a chick who would do a smorgasbord of sexual stuff. I think he got ticked off at her because she would not leave him alone. And when he would get upset....she would tape him. How many people tape their conversations with someone, save journals....and all the stuff she remembered...the tiniest detail to use at a later date. She completely duped and set him up.

    As far as examining the evidence...that was not hard. It was a no brainer. They had 100 times the evidence for first degree...that was in both the Casey Anthony and OJ trial. It was a dream case. Of course anything can happen with juries but for the most part...the evidence was there. It just took a long time to get to the jury. I am sure they were emotionally exhausted. Juan was brilliant...absolutely brilliant, no one could have done better. He was quick to think on his feet and did not let up. He made a mockery of the defense witnesses. Domestic abuse...was a joke. She should have pleaded insanity..or personality disorders...her claims did not make sense.

    Of course the death penalty would be hard...especially after hearing the testimony of family. But those jurors signed papers that said...every one of them could vote for the death penalty if the evidence warranted it. And it was beyond a shadow of doubt...that what she did was cruel and calculating. That is why people I think were so shocked that the jury could not see this...after they all voted that it was 1st degree...and cruel. I guess not cruel enough...because I guess they are willing to allow her to possibly get life in prison with parole. I do believe if the jury had seen her post conviction interviews...their vote would have been different.
    They let emotions get in the way of them doing the right thing.

    You bring up domestic violence...but that does not apply here...as this case had nothing to do with it. She was not a battered woman. She is playing that card to this day...simply because she has to...to hopefully get an appeal.

    I am sure Travis's friends told him to dump her. And he was probably embarrassed that he was still sorta talking to her. Some people have a hard time ending things. He probably did not want to admit that she was someone he could not handle. Who knew someone could be capable of such a heinous act? So he probably was hoping she would just go away.

    And as we know......Jodi Arias is like a leech....she won't go away and sucks the lifeblood out of everything she touches. For someone to slaughter someone and then go shack up with another guy the day after......deserves the death penalty.

    You know I really was against the death penalty until this case.....
     
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    Prosecutor Juan M. Martinez from the Jodi Ann Arias trial in news here where ex cop Richard A. Chrisman is convicted of aggravated assault & battery see videos here
    http://www.kpho.com/category/269003/richard-chrisman-trial

    Police work can be stressful as cops deal with worst types. Cops because they deal with bad people are more likely to have are personality issues, impatience and especially when 1 looks @ homicide detectives or detectives who investigate sex abuse. Paramedics and firemen are also more likely to have personality issues because when you see people who have been maimed and killed, including dead children, that can damage 1′s thinking.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the cops who arrested and interrogated Ariel Castro would’ve loved to have killed him on the spot for the crimes he did. But when you’re a cop, it’s your job to deal with these types of people. You use justified not excess force to deal with situation. It’s the police’s job to help prosecutors prove a suspect is guilty and most of the people who cops arrest are guilty-most cases are pleabargained.

    With ex Phoenix cop Richard Alan Chrisman, a jury concluded that he used excess force not reasonable dorce. Yes, his victim Daniel Frank Rodriguez was a Meth junky. But Officer Chrisman’s job was to be a cop, not a vigilante. Jury could not decide whether shooting the dog was justified as conflicts as to whether the dog was dangerous (as Officer Chrisman said) or non-dangerous as Officer Virgillo said.

    IMO, the prosecutor Mr. Juan M. Martinez should not retry him on Murder 2 charge on which there was a hung jury but just let the Judge sentence ex cop Richard Alan Chrisman for aggravated assault & battery for which jury convicted him on. Again, a cops job is to deal with criminals without becoming vigilantes. We don’t have to sympathize with victim Daniel Frank Rodriguez as he was a Meth junky who was threatening his mom and dog (according to 911 call), but it wasn’t Officer Richard A. Chrisman’s place to be his executioner. His job was to do what he was trained to do professionally as a cop and jury believed he failed. No, people must not hate ex cop Richard Alan Chrisman and it’s wrong to make victim Daniel Frank Rodriguez a martyr as has happened on Internet sites. But former cop Richard Alan Chrisman must do prison time for what he did, because it was not his place to be vigilante.

    1 can hate Ariel Castro and if a jury had given Ariel Castro the death penalty for what he did, then so be it and Ariel Castro committed suicide. But even in Ariel Castro’s case, it would have been wrong for the police to have shot and killed Ariel Castro in the interrogation room though we wouldn’t sympathize with him, because again, the police’s job to arrest him and help prosecutor prove Ariel Castro guilty.

    Again, I don’t think ex-cop Richard A. Chrisman should be retried on the other charges for which there was hung jury but must do prison time for aggravated assault & battery for which he was convicted on. PLEA has said that they support R.A. Chrisman though jury after several days of deliberation convicted him. The prosecutor in this case Mr. Juan M. Martinez is a good prosecutor as seen in his prosecution of Jodi Ann Arias getting her convicted of Murder 1 and now here in the trial of ex cop Richard A. Chrisman.This case will cause police departments to review their training and use this case to show how to react to situations, what is reasonable vs. excess force, so as to avoid ending up as ex officer R.A. Chrisman was. Ex cop R.A. Chrisman likely thinks that he used reasonable force but the jury believed it was excess force. He again had expert witness Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio from the Zimmerman trial testify on his behalf, but he was still convicted.

    The law also is about people skills. It’s knowing the law, but an important thing is giving your arguments credibly to a jury and getting the jury to believe the case you are giving them is credible. Prosecutor Juan M. Martinez (he has been a Maricopa County Prosecutor for many years) has excellent people skills when he argues cases to juries because he succeeded in getting a jury to convict Jodi Ann Arias and now he succeeded in getting a jury to convict ex Officer Richard A. Chrisman of aggravated assault & battery.
    Mr. Juan M. Martinez did a good job arguing his case to jury and the State’s witnesses and evidence Mr. Martinez presented was more credible than the defense witnesses. Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio is better witness than Jodi Ann Arias’s expert witness Alyce D. LaViolette and we know what a bad witness Alyce D. LaViolette was in the Jodi Ann Arias trial. Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio testimony helped get George M. Zimmerman acquitted when he testified for G.M. Zimmerman and jury agreed that G.M. Zimmerman acted in self-defense. But with the conviction of ex-cop Richard A. Chrisman, even expert witness Dr. Vincent J. M. Di Maio (he made $3,000 as a paid witness) testimony could not prevent ex officer’s Richard A. Chrisman’s conviction.
     
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    see http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/08/26/alyce-laviolette-testimony and see HLNtv.com http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/08/26/jvm-jodi-arias-laviolette-travis-friends

    No, Alyce D. LaViolette should not be harassed and she should not be a victim of violence for testifying-cops must stop any harassment. But honestly, it’s my view that Alyce D. LaViolette said what she knows is false but mainly cared about $. And contrary to what CNN said, the jury foreman did not agree with Alyce D. LaViolette about Jodi Ann Arias being a domestic violence victim-they believed that there was verbal abuse but not the domestic violence and they likely believed this before she testified.

    Alyce D. LaViolette like the other defense witnesses psychologists Richard Samuels and Robert A. Geffner said what they knew is false for money. They didn’t care what the facts were, they just saw a chance to make $ by testifying, likely not knowing in advance the case would be televised, with Alyce D. Laviolette getting hostile reactions after people who had watched the trial saw her testify and knew what she said is mostly wrong. Alyce D. LaViolette should not be victimized, but we have a right to criticize what she did on Internet and it’s my view that Alyce D. LaViolette said what she knew is false but mainly cared about money. That’s the thing about expert witnesses-they’re hired to give testimony you want and Alyce D. LaViolette did not care about the fact that Jodi Ann Arias was stalking Travis V. Alexander, among other things. People must keep criticizing Alyce D. LaViolette legally minus any criminal harassment because Alyce D. LaViolette can not be trusted as a witness. Richard Samuels and Robert A. Geffner can also not be trusted because those 2 like Alyce D. LaViolette did not care about truth, they just cared about making money.

    Thinking more of this, must wonder if Alyce D. LaViolette is telling whole truth about all the death threats she says she got. Sure, she got hostile emails, calls and letters and again, no excuse to harass or criminal harm on Alyce D. LaViolette.

    But is it possible Alyce D. LaViolette lied to CNN reporter? Other defense experts such as Richard Samuels and Robert A. Geffner have not complained about death threats and both their testimonies were false. Alyce D. LaViolette was on the stand the longest (as defense witness) and she became arrogant when she told Prosecutor Juan M. Martinez to take a time out.

    And again contrary to what CNN said, the jury foreman did not agree with Alyce D. LaViolette about Jodi Ann Arias being a domestic violence victim-they believed that there was verbal abuse but not the domestic violence and they likely believed this before she testified. Prosecution expert Psychologist Janeen A. DeMarte did not disagree that there was verbal abuse. Again, Alyce D. LaViolette like the other defense witnesses psychologists Richard Samuels and Robert A. Geffner said what they knew is false for money. They didn’t care what the facts were, they just saw a chance to make $ by testifying, likely not knowing in advance the case would be televised, with Alyce D. Laviolette getting hostile reactions after people who had watched the trial saw her testify and knew what she said is mostly wrong. Either Alyce D. LaViolette knows what she said is false for $ or Alyce D. LaViolette is so delusional from her bias regardingJodi Ann Arias. Alyce D. LaViolette mainly cares about $, as did the other 2 defense witnesses. They thought that as expert witnesses they could fool the jury, but they did not.
     
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