Joe Biden May Land Himself In Hot Water With Iowa Voters

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  1. flyboy56

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    Biden is avoiding any confrontation with progressive democratic candidates. He won't be able to avoid them much longer. June debates will force him to answer some unwanted questions.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethb...when-other-dems-are-stomping-in-iowa-n2547834

    Former Vice President Joe Biden must not be worried about his polling numbers, after all, he's considered the frontrunner in the 2020 Democratic race to the White House. But it appears Joe is a no show in Iowa, where 19 of the 23 Democrats running for president are currently campaigning up-and-down the state.
     
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    Too be fair the other three probably haven't raised enough money to buy a plane ticket and it is after all just those folks out in flyover country who won't vote for Dems anyway. As I said at the very beginning Biden's appeal lies in the fact that he isn't quite as insane as the rest the trouble is the Dumbocrats are having to take their duplicitous game to a whole new level.

    What game you say? It has been axiomatic among Dem presidential candidates for years if not decades that during the primaries you run as far to the left as you can and then once you've won the primary scurry back to the center as fast as your scrawny legs can carry you and count on the media not to remark upon your duplicity. People not on our two left coasts now understand the game and understand that it isn't the kooks those candidates are lying to. So Hillary lost 2/3 of the states and 5/6 of the counties. Biden will provide a repeat performance as he abandons virtually every position he has championed for the last forty years and adopts new ones that he never even heard of until recently. In the meantime he will avoid the public eye as much as possible and count on his massive lead in name recognition to carry the day.
     
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    Interesting post. Established Democrats have been playing this game for years because they didn't have much opposition from progressive candidates. This primary is different and I believe it's because of the last primary where the established Democrats dissed the progressives. Progressives will see this move by Biden as a typical established Democrat BS move just to win the Democratic nomination. They want a candidate who will stick to their progressive platform and not give in to the establish Democrats who they see as a threat to their movement. Established Democrats want a candidate who will be Trump. Progressives want a candidate who will win the Democratic primary first.
     
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    And in the end neither will get their wish.
     
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    This latest little faux pas by Biden will eventually be his undoing. When he does this kind of reversal he sounds like just another greasy, opportunistic politician. Did this have any effect? Wow, did it! Warren's numbers rocketed. Warren has plans, ideas and facts to back them as well as how to pay for them. One may not be particularly warm to her ideas but they are specific and she hasn't shown much inclination to back away from them. In short, it looks like she actually believes in something and isn't afraid to stand by those beliefs. Shocking!
     
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    Leaders of the pack the summer before the year of the election like Biden rarely end up with the nomination. This time in 2016 Jeb Bush was well ahead in the GOP. Bachman, Cain took early leads before Romney and his millions took charge in 2012. Rudy Giuliani was the leader the summer before the election in 2008, Howard Dean on the Democratic side in the summer before the election of 2004 and so on.

    Polling this far out is all about name recognition and who makes the biggest splash when they announce. I highly doubt Biden will come close to the Democratic nomination. An old white male, moderate in his politics at least compared with the rest of the democratic party, he won't do well in the ultra left energized voters in the democratic primaries. Unless the ultra left splits their votes among various candidates letting Biden slip in. After all the Democrats award their votes proportionally. Much like Trump slipped his way to the Republican nomination by winning 30-35% of the vote in an extra large field.
     
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    Progressives know removing the established Democrats from leadership positions is their first priority. Progressives are willing to play the long game. Progressives are not going to vote for Biden because the DNC says he has the best chance of beating Trump. They heard that line before and guess who ended up winning? Trump. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
     
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    Biden is showing exactly why he could never compete the other times he ran for president.

    He has way too much baggage he's already getting hit with and the debates haven't even started yet let alone the general election.

    His bump from being Obama's VP will fade soon and the democrats will toss him to the curb I think.

    Just from a neutral political viewpoint, he is not a very good candidate and not representative of the current democratic party.
     
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    The trouble is There are far fewer Progressive than there are establishment Democrats and the latter have most of the money.
     
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    I'm not sure that is true anymore. This primary will provide the real number of progressive voters. And money isn't always the deciding factor. Hillary Clinton spent far more than Trump and still lost.
     
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    Money is far more of a deciding factor in the primaries than in the general especially when you're trying to overcome the name recognition problem
     
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    People who are planning on voting will be watching the debates. Social media will be used to inform friends. Social media plays a large role in getting information out there. TV and radio advertisements are really a waste of money.
     
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    You're going to have a dozen or more people on stage all crying me too they'll have a hard time separating themselves one from the other.
     
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    Debates are not just about what candidates say but how they present their case and if they look presidential. TV or radio ads aren't spontaneous enough for most voters to really judge how a candidate will perform as president.
     
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    He also won't do well with many Iowans, because of things like this imo.

    As if he's owed Iowa's votes.
     
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    And he's alienating midwestern dem voters like its cool.
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    You'd have a point if we actually did debates. You can't do much in a two minute sound bite, and the way things are today especially with millennials, where it's short attention span theater and instant gratification, you'll be lucky if any of them are tuned in for more than ten minutes.
     
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    Biden is running his campaign exactly like hillary 2016 so far. All platitudes, no substance, and he has gone into hiding so the country doesnt see him stacked up against bernie.

    And i suspect the dnc will do whatever they can to protect him too. Dont be surprised if in the first couple of debates we dont see bernie/warren and biden on the same stage. I think the fix is in regardless. I dont trust the dnc to not find a way to screw bernie again.
     
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    Yeah. That baggage thing.
     
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    Nobody cares about Iowa, except the losers chasing Biden.

    Iowa's delegates are insignificant.

    After Super Tuesday, Biden will have such an insurmountable delegate lead that he will be unstoppable.

    Iowa's delegates are insignificant in the overall delegate math.

    The only people pushing this ludicrous "Biden v Progressives" narrative are the RW Tinfoil Hat Crowd (that are deathly afraid that Biden is going to destroy Trump) and are using this Fantasy in a epically failed attempt to split Democrats.

    And Townhall as a "source"?:roflol::bored:,

    You posted in the wrong section.

    This thread belongs in Conspiracy or Humor.

    [​IMG]

    Townhall?:roflol:
     
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    I disagree completely.

    None of those examples that you cited involved the former VP (of a very popular 2-term President).

    I think Biden gets the nom.

    None of those examples that you cited (Bush, Rudy, Dean) were a former VP.

    An entirely different dynamic exists with Biden's current position.

    Only a cataclysmic (completely unforeseen) event can derail Biden.

    Anything is possible, I suppose.

    For example, the World could end in the next 5 minutes..

    Yeah, anything is possible.

    In any event, it will be nice chatting the day after the Dem Nom is clinched.

    I will take Biden, you can have everyone else.

    And, obviously, the only way that Biden can/could be stopped is for the "Progressives" to decide one candidate (early in the process) and all the other Progressives drop out to "Stop Biden".

    ^And, that won't happen.

    So, Biden could keep winning by primaries with 30-35%

    Once again, I will take Biden, you can have everyone else.

    I wonder who will be correct?

    Looking forward to the fun ride.:salute:
     
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    So?

    Now you have been reduced to posting Lame RW Memes that advocate Political Assassination?

    Is that what the RW Fever Swamp has been reduced to?:smh:

    Your post is just more proof of how terrified that Trump's Fans are of Biden.

    Does the RW actually find memes depicting Political Assassination funny?:smh:
     
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    Sounds like you are riding with Biden.
     
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    Sounds like democrats plan to alienate a lot of voters who don't like Biden.

    Just like they did with Bernie.
     
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    I have not seen him much lately. I guess his supporters have been "hidin' with Biden".
     
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