John Boehner on 'Trump party': 'The Republican Party is kind of taking a nap somewhere'

John Boehner said there is no Republican Party, only a Trump party now. I think he's right.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/6/john-boehner-on-trump-party-the-republican-party-i/

The RNC has abandoned traditional politics, conservatism, patriotism, respect for he Constitution, and all claim to the high ground. One more Republican who rejects the Republican "party".

 

Is it true that there is no Democratic Party any longer?

Heck, the Democrats only control the house.

On the other hand, the Republicans control the Presidency, the Senate, the majority of governor mansions, and the majority of state legislatures.

 

People will agree with false, misleading statements all the time.

 

Sounds like you have rejected reality.

I don't see Donald Trump pushing for laws regarding hate speech or laws against ownership of certain firearms. In fact that's almost exclusively left-wing. The left-wing calls patriotism nationalism despite the fact that they're synonyms, and you try subterfuge to suggest that they're not, and the left says that nationalism is bad.

Everything you've accused Donald Trump of doing you are guilty of. Seems Freudian.

 

The Republican Party controls most of government. It's far from dead.

 

Trump signed the bump-stock ban law. Obama didn't sign any anti-gun legislation. Reality. Deal with it.

 

Not to mention his "Take the guns first, due process later" comment.

 

Yeah I think it was wrong for signing a bump stock ban. But I don't ever hear Trump supporters or Donald Trump talking about banning assault weapons that is specifically relegated to the left.

I never hear Donald Trump talking about making laws against hate speech that is specifically relegated to the left.

I can deal with reality can you?

 

There is still a republican party but the Tea Party exposed them for what most of them are.

So yes we exist but we are a fractured party with an internal struggle going on between the conservatives and the RINO's/establishment.

Who's going to win is anyone's guess at this point, I actually thought we would have destroyed them by now but they have more power than I thought.

The democrats are actually going through the exact same thing right now however.

I think the next ten years are going to be very interesting for us political nuts.

 

Well upon arrest your guns can be confiscated, and held until after a court find you innocent of whatever crime you committed.

The trial the court that's the process that's due. I'm pretty sure if you get arrested and you have a gun on your person the police take it away from you. That is taking your guns first.

 

Well the Republican Party is made up of people from the Democrat Party, which him abandoned the Democratic Party due to their socialist leanings.

So you're going to find every bit of variance and Republicans today that you used to find between JFK stop Democrats and Goldwater Republicans. And in the Democrat Party you're going to find socialists and marxists. As well as corporatism.

 

I think the GOP is splitting into two camps... the Trumpers, and the RINOS.

The DNC is in about a half dozen camps... the liberals, the progressives, the socialists, the weirdos, the minorities, and the moderates.

Really there should be more than two parties but that's just the way our system is set up.

 

If only there were no political parties. The end of partisanship. Nobody but me likes the idea.

 

Trump has revealed what the Republican party actually is and long has been. They've long been flip-flopping around with no principles, going from one crazy course to the next, from one demagogue to another. Trump is just eccentric enough that he really sheds light on the entire dynamic for all to see. It's downright comical what has happened with Lindsey Graham, for instance.

"I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office."
— Sen. Lindsey Graham on Trump, Feb 2016

"What concerns me about the American press is this endless, endless attempt to label the guy some kind of kook not fit to be president."
— Sen. Graham, last week

— Thomas E. Ricks (@tomricks1) December 3, 2017​

 

Asking Boehner what he thinks is sort of like asking a fired employee how he lost his job or why McCain never became president. Wantabees are not normally the best sources for a true asscessment. Politics probably has more egotists and narcissists than any other job except maybe actor.

So you got one opinion for what its worth. If the person really wanted a good story, he should have interviewed a traditional democrat, if there are any. What happend to democrats? How did they been become so divided, so hateful, so far left. What the impact of socialism is and how it is now the party of losers would be a more intresting story.

 

Well, we've all been seeing the change evolving for years as the R.P. became more and more focused on stealing, seizing, and "owning" the political life of the country as they moved toward one-party dictatorship. They're almost there.

Democrats have always been a bit more oriented on fairness for the people than the Republicans who are all about corporate power and their contributions. The shift of the Republicans to the extreme right drove Democrats to respond in the opposite direction. I have no doubt that if Republicans had remained politically where they were and accepted fairness in elections, the Democrats would have also remained as they were. Republicans are aggressive and forward-looking while Democrats are more reactive and defensive. Their "hatefulness" and their swing to the left is a reaction to Republicans' extremism which is now just about entirely devoid of any conservatism.

 

Things have no doubt gotten out of hand on both sides. I attribute much of the division on social media and cable news. They seem to incite more than they report. You see things from you perspective but I see from mine. It probably mostly due to who we follow in the media.

 

I'd be fine with that. Force people to quit treating politics like it's college football, and make them actually have to learn about a candidate/platform etc.

Look at the things one party supports ---- until the other party supports it ---- like border security ---- and suddenly they're hellbent against it. It's the pinnacle of partisan stupidity.

Of course, a "free sh*t" platform is still going to appeal to way too many people, with or without a (D) after it, so in that regard we're still kind of screwed.

 

the only legislation the gop in interested in is tax cuts for the .1%. It's all that passed in two years of holding both houses. Trump nominates anti-choice judges who not coincidentally want to reduce congress's power to regulate corporations.

That's about it.

McConnell and Boehner put up compromise bills when Obama was potus that cut future entitlement spending by about $3 for every $1 in immediate tax increases. They had the bipartisan votes in both Houses, but the Freedom Caucus prevented Boehner from ever bringing it up for a vote. The reason I mention that is while I blame Trump for lacking the courage to buck Coulter and speak directly to his base about what it will take in terms of compromise to do comprehensive immigration reform just addressing newly arriving illegal immigrants (and those wanting asylum), Trump's not the first to lack the courage.

 

THIS seems to be almost impossible to get across to the forum lefties, but they don't get that there is a civil war going on in the Republican Party and it's been going on for years.

 

As others have done a good job of pointing out, there IS a civil war within the GOP. There is also one within the Democratic Party.

Interesting times.

 

I don't think there's a civil war in the gop. The elite has made it clear that Trump can do whatever he wants, so long as he doesn't fck with the .1% and continues reducing corporate regulation. He may come into conflict with the 5% tariff over IMMIGRATION. So long as his tariffs were just about getting better trade deals, the .1% was fine, and the farmers get a little bit

I'm not sure how many dems, outside AOC, are truly committed socialists. Rather I think there's an age division among them that breaks on a line of how much you can trust a corporation

"Leadership allies and some advocacy groups have urged patience, chalking up the delays to caution over possibly jeopardizing a potential major political and policy victory.

They argued that the proposal outlined by Pelosi could serve as the foundation for a hard-hitting bill that first targets the highest-cost drugs like insulin and some cancer therapies and imposes sweeping restrictions on the broader industry.

“Congress should focus on price negotiations on key drugs for the same reason that bank robbers rob banks: Because that’s where all the money is,” said Ben Wakana, executive director for Patients for Affordable Drugs. “It is really a handful of two dozen drugs that are driving the majority of the spending in Medicare.”

Even some progressives allow that there are reasons for optimism. Pocan praised the suggestion that negotiated prices would apply across the entire market even as he dismissed other elements of the plan as “horrendous”; others called Pelosi's latest outline a decent first step."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/06/democrats-prescription-drug-prices-1497676

 

Most people dont understand due process. You can lose your rights and property pending a hearing. That is not a violation of your right to due process. A violation would be taking your rights or property, then denying you a hearing on the matter.

 

Red Establishment and the conservatives that keep voting for them abandoned the principles of Republicanism long before Trump showed up.

It is just more obvious these days.

 

True, but Barry Goldwater wouldn't have found anything good in Trump. LOL