Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump

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  1. MissingMayor

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    You are confusing Manafort with Cohen. There is no special master in Manafort's case.
     
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    In court, Mueller prosecutor Michael Dreeben essentially admitted that the May 17, 2017, order appointing Mueller and stating the subject of the investigation was just for show. Mueller's real assignment, the factual statement defining the limits of his investigation, remains a secret.
     
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    Which seems to be the real problem here. Zero transparency. But for the libs, this is the model of how they assume government retains their authoritarianism.
     
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    Leftism leads to communism. Rightism leads to fascism. Get your political ideologies straight.
     
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    But it sounds so good just throwing around random words, like they always do!
     
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    Dear lord. Please stop while your ahead........

    All due respect, but from your post you don't know how hacks work. Key loggers are a thing of the 90's. Every AV program in the world can out them today. These hacks are so much more sophisticated. And they would not be able to trace where the email came from. Emails contain "headers" and the those headers can be changed by a third grader on a leap pad.

    Hacks today use YOU to get into your systems, which in turn create "know behaviors" to a server. Servers don't react to known behaviors, they allow them to happen. And with known behaviors, the logs would show nothing out of the ordinary, because they are using YOUR credentials.

    Please stop while your ahead
     
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    And Phishing attacks leave no traces because they use known credentials.......

    Its NOT speculating. You do know that the big hack where most of the data was garnered was from a GMAIL account right ? The server would do no good in that instance. And even if it was something as simple as a brute force attack, anyone with even the most rudimentary skills could hide the source. If someone is going after the DNC, their not a group of script kiddies.

    I've said it a thousand times...the FBI did not need the DNC server. Its just another talking point by the right to try to hammer the dems.

    But since we know the RNC was also hit, as well as some state level RNC servers....how many of those were turned over to the FBI ? Seriously I do not know....do you ?
     
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    Sure, why take an investigation seriously when the claim is that the Russian's hacked the DNC. Got it.
     
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    no the furthest right you go leads to anarchism
    fascism has more in common with socialism
    fascism is socialism with a nationalist element

    the very few times we had a fascist regime they were large controlling centralized government that was heavily involved in production and the economy like socialism
    the right is all about small limited uncentralized government and capitalism without any or very little government involvement in the economy
     
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    I have zero use for Devin Nunes. I can't imagine why his district would re-elect him, since his priority is not his constituents.

    I doubt the judge does anything but move this case forward. We'll soon see which way that goes.

    As far as Jeff Sessions and the "side" he's on… he's not supposed to be on any side. He's supposed to run the DOJ as independent from partisan politics. The problem is Trump wanted Sessions to be partisan in that position. I'm not a fan of Sessions, but he's smart enough not to aid Nunes in obstructing justice.
     
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    ????????????????????
    The entire Witch Hunt is based on Congressional approval, and Rosenstein CANNOT ALTER the original mandate, UNDERCOVER, w/o Congressional approval....

    Rosenstein can investigate anything he wants.
     
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    Clearly an utter failure to address the accurate point cited.

    OK...it's exactly what happened. The Obama Swamp cried, pissed and moaned that the release of the data in the Nunes memo , would cause "irreparable damage" to the ability of the DOJ/FBI to function, which , as we all learned, was TOTAL BULLSHIT.

    All it "irreparably damaged" is the reputations of the Swamp Dwellers.
     
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    What you have use for, and a bus token will get you a ride downtown.

    Nunes' dogged determination was CRUCIAL in exposing the OUTRAGEOUS CORRUPTION among the Obama Swamp KGB-FBI/DOJ leftovers, and more to come in the State Dept.

    Naturally, you "have no use for him".
     
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    Wrong. BOTH are leftism, which is STATEISM.
     
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    I don't think you understand the point. Beria's comment says it better..."Show me the man and I'll show you the crime". Put another way, government can 'find' (as in invent) a crime when they investigate anyone.

    That said, the real issue with Manafort right now is the legality of the investigation and the legality of any evidence found in what appears to be an illegal investigation as there is NO link between the Special Councils mandate and alleged crimes committed a decade ago. The Judge noted that the special council had not linked the alleged crime with the councils mandate, to investigate the 2016 election about Russian collusion.
     
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    Because he is inventing crimes as he goes.
     
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    Apparently all that is required to be 'under investigation' is to be associated with the president and they are already 'alerted'...
     
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    NO, he cannot. he is subject to Constitutional restraints, and the DOJ is subject to Congressional oversight.

    Leftists think that Obama successfully turned us into a Police State.

    He certainly tried, with MASSIVE ILLEGAL SURVEILLANCE, etc.,but he failed.
    And his leftovers in the KGB-FBI/DOJ are finding that out, as you read this.


    Sorry.
     
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    How familiar are you with the Virginia Indictment against Manafort and Gates? I assume you've memorized it, or at least have it very handy..

    Note the section that says:

    In the second part of the scheme, between approximately 2015 and at least January 2017, when the Ukraine income dwindled after Yanukovych fled to Russia, MANAFORT, with the assistance of GATES, extracted money from MANAFORT’s United States real estate by, among other things, using those properties as collateral to obtain loans from multiple financial institutions.

    We can disagree about whether the Manafort crimes are related to the Russian collusion question, but you know it's a lie that Mueller alleges these crimes were committed "a decade ago". At least according to the indictment, which I assume you ignore in totality anyway.

    Anyway, happy deflecting!
     
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    Yep, 23 crimes and $30 million. Just your average Joe.
     
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    I hadn't seen the conviction. When did that happen. And why weren't the alleged 2005/2007 "crimes" prosecuted then, by MUELLER, no less, who then TRIED TO PRETEND that this was a NEW "INVESTIGATION", brought about by the "Russia Probe", when tere is NO CONNECTION TO RUSSIA ANYWHERE in the indictment.

    The whole case stinks to high heaven, as Judge Ellis has noted, and calls into question the entire Witch Hunt, as he also noted.
     
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    The presiding judge pointed out that there is NOTHING in the indictment relative to the Russian investigation.
     
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    Well whoopee!
    Tell them to oversight, but DOJ belongs to the executive branch. If Trump doesn't like it he can start firing people.
    Call again when something actually happens. :)
    Your post:
    The entire Witch Hunt is based on Congressional approval, and Rosenstein CANNOT ALTER the original mandate, UNDERCOVER, w/o Congressional approval....
     
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    And Congressional oversight extends to the Cabinet, including the DOJ, which has been reinforced by the USSC. They can STOP ALL FUNDING to the Witch Hunt, among other things...including holding Rosenstein and/or Mueller in contempt of Congress.
     
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    Link to source with exact quote to support the above "comment's" contention.
     

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