That is really funny. . .and so true! Well, now that I am 63 years old, I wear my skies at the "proper" level. But as a young girl I went anywhere from "cheeky" to "matronly!" And believe me. . .it had NOTHING to do with my sexual evolution, but just "fashion" and who comfortable I was that year with my legs (which have always been good, by the way. . .still are!) Obviously I agree with you! You can't judge the character of a woman by the length of her skirts! And, it is at best a very unreliable measurement! OBVIOUSLY, if a woman has terrible legs, she will tend to hide them, while showing off her "best side!" In the other hand, if a woman has great legs. . .why not show them? Nothing to do with her willingness to be "easy!"
I know it's true. That's all the backup I need. She only feels good because she knows how men are looking at her, and she only wants to because she wants that feeling. It is to me, anyway. You betcha. An opinion can be factual, as it is in this case. Do you have proof that there is no more to it than "she wants to"?
Now that was predictable... Yes, because I know and have known people who dress the way they like rather than how there are expected to. Do you dress the way you do to please others... to impress others... or because it is expected of you?
Which doesn't contravene anything I said, so you're just dodging the question. Most likely your problem is that you associate modesty with rigid religionism to the point where they're inseparable in your mind, which has impelled you to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and left you content with such facile explanations as "she wants to". You've never given any serious thought to why women dress like that.
What does the length of a man's shorts reveal about his character? No doubt men wearing the shortest shorts have a bad character and they are someone you wouldn't want to date or marry. No doubt. Men with knee length shorts are prime dating and marriage material. Chaste wholesome men. My Lord. Some sick puppies on this thread. The usual suspects... and on it goes... The one consolation - sick puppies will never know or date or marry a decent and intelligent women. These women wouldn't give them the time of day.
Actually if the average unmarried man -- interested in women -- thought for one minute that he could get laid by wearing short-shorts during working hours anywhere . . . he'd struggle to find a way to make it so. Men are very simple creatures when you get right down to it.
I have a friend who fits the stereotypes of being right wing, yet, he is right wing. Sorry, they exist for a reason.
As expected then nothing. I know it is true you don't have a single thing to backup your claim, that is all I need to know. then you have no real idea about women as a whole. ah yes your usual cut and paste parts of a response because you think it "feels good" to misrepresent others. I see sarcasm evades you as well.
I'm not dating either. I dated a shortskirt wearing girl as I met my current fiance.... I kept short skirt around for 1 thing and I had no intentions of dating her exclusively. Doesn't mean I wasn't looking for someone I could 'take home to meet mom' all I'm saying is how you dress is important in society. agree whether it should be important or not doesn't matter as how one dresses has been important since adam and eve first covered themselves with a fig leaf.... there are always exceptions, ALWAYS.... but if you dress like a thug... don't be surprised when you are treated like a thug. if you dress like a professional, you get treated like a professional. if you dress like a slut, don't be surprised when you are treated like a slut, or called a slut, even if you really aren't.
nice swerve from the thread that was asking about how women dress... both my sons or daughters will understand the importance of dress and understand the consequences and how people perceive them based on dress.
no swerve....you seem to think the way a woman dresses defines her value. So are you teaching your son that if a woman dresses in a way you don't like he just use her? If so that is clearly misogyny and frankly disgusting. If we taught boys not to think this way women would be safer.
LOL. Lets get into it for real (this thread is about assumptions right?) Men wearing the shortest of shorts are not interested in women. Men wearing moderately short shorts are into tennis. Men wearing knee length shorts are either very young, have very bad taste or are suffering from mid-life crisis. We all make judgements of people based on how they dress.
Granted; but what would throw everything out the window would be expectation of success; which is that if the average -- let's stipulate -- single and straight guy thought for one minute that wearing short-shorts in a formal business environment would result in him getting laid -- again let's stipulate -- on a more or less routine basis, there would be a mighty world wide push by men to justify the need to go short-shorts 'formal' in business wear. Perhaps black or gray short shorts only with wingtip shoes, black socks -- with garters and suspenders naturally -- and a dress shirt with a tie or for really important business meetings, a bow-tie and spiffy formal matching color jacket.
call it enlightened all you want... and I do know there are plenty of good jobs out there that you can wear business casual to an interview. that's true... and if only theives would stop stealing, and murderers stop killing, and politicians stop lieing.... I understand what you're saying, that it SHOULDN'T happen.... but this is not just a recent thing. Every society in the world throughout the entire history of the world has used and currently uses dress as a way to present themselves to society. It's human nature. and just because you found a few exceptions of "enlightened" employers who will interview you wearing business casual or less....doesn't mean that it's acceptable everywhere or that we should quit teaching our kids that there are times you need to wear a suit and tie. just because guys SHOULDN'T look at women as sex objects doesn't mean they won't. I'm not saying it's right... but if you are the parent of a 16 y.o. girl.... doesn't mean you trust that every guy she meets will have that same thought process. I know there are plenty of 'conservatively' dressed females that are true whores in every sense of the word.... but crimes of opportunities happen.
no I don't. I said it defines how others view her at first glance.... it's also how she wants to be viewed at first glance. just like in an interview.... if I want to be considered a professional at first glance..... I wear a suit. But I also realize, that despite my ample qualifications, many won't give me a chance if I show up wearing a t-shirt and bluejeans to an interview. And since I know this... I'd be an idiot to think "well, he shouldn't judge me based on my appearance...." and still wear jeans. I know women have value... I would argue, if the world was made up of people from this thread, no rapes would ever occur.... but the fact is, there are many out there, that will see a girl in a short dress as an opportunity. and it was a swerve since this has nothing to do with teaching my son to hit it and quit it.
see, that's where your assumption is wrong. I had a "hit it and quit it" and used her until I met my current fiance, who is my world. professional, is good at her job (we're in the same field), is getting her advanced degree while she was a single mother.... sometimes... karma is just... hogwash. I do agree, men who wear short shorts does say something about them.... or at least, it gives the perception of them to people on first sight. just like a mullet gives an indication about a guy. heck, it also gives a good indication about a girl too.... not 100%.... but if I'm a betting man, it's good enough odds that I'd take that bet that mullet girl is gay
You mean if every boy in the nation was raised with old-fashioned Catholic or Anglican-Based values of the Victorian Era type . . . it would be safe for women to do whatever? While a general cultural return to courtesies and ethics and civilized gender distinctions might be nice from a nostalgia point of view doesn't that violate modern liberal P.C. thinking in regards to 'self-esteem' is more important than anything else and -- barring a resulting prison term -- 'if it feels good, do it'? Finally, no matter how you instruct young 'men' regarding gender differences and the treatment of other human beings and how this outwardly results in deportment, he is still going to 'think' whatever he thinks.
No what I am saying is that if you teach boys that girls in short skirts are sluts then you create rape culture and that if you teach people to respect each other regardless of skirt height, tattoos, or even behavior you don't have to worry about a woman being as sexual as guys seem to be able to do.
The way we dress is all about how everyone judges each other for sure. Is it fair or correct always? No. Various groups feeling unfairly judged throw a lot of cards, but in the end there is no one at the receiving end of their frustrations but all of us. We should all be a little more reserved in our assumptions and how we act on them, but we should also be aware of the statements we make by how we dress. If applying for a clown job it might be perfectly appropriate for a man to wear makeup eh?
that's fine... I'd argue noone in this thread teaches their boys that. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen and I don't want my daughter being the example of someone else's bad parenting. So I will continue to teach her to be modest in her dress. Short skirts is not modest.
Actually I agree with you (barring the stipulations I made), but I don't think it's quite as simple as all that. The entire culture matters and what youngsters are being taught is strictly the cult of self-esteem trumps all else in their outlook and if it feels good do it and be damned to cultural standards and so forth and so on.
Depends on what can be backed by evidence. Are you more likely to be robbed in a poor Chicago neighborhood or at an American Humanist conference? I do not see the most bleeding hearts of bleeding hearts hanging around shady neighborhoods late at night. I do not believe race is remotely the root cause, but poverty and culture.
