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I do not mind. The American Army can use for example a bow and arrows. At least they do not misfire and in use which is actually a testament to its effectiveness

 

You understand there is a difference between anti-air artillery and a mobile howitzer, yes?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S5_Giatsint-S

I should have also mentioned the 2S3 howitzer which is again functionally identical to the Palidan.

BTW, rate of fire for the Palidan is 6 rounds a minute: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M109_howitzer

 

FAIL. You are talking about M109. This is M109A7 PIM

US Army to get new self-propelled howitzer after 20yrs of waiting

Published time: 8 Apr, 2015 19:39


The US military is about to receive its first new artillery piece in two decades, with the M109A7 PIM (Paladin Integrated Management) self-propelled howitzer to be unveiled on Thursday.

The hardware represents the US Army’s “new approach to acquisition, in which expensive, ambitious, all-new designs give way to incremental, but still substantial changes to existing platforms,” Sydney Freedberg, Breaking Defense website deputy editor, said.

According to Freedberg, a source in the Congress told him that M109A7 PIM “is not a truly new vehicle in that it borrows from others, but still a success.”

PIM is a long-awaited arrival for the US military as experts warned of American artillery being outmatched by competitors after the cancellation of two of its next-gen self-propelled gun programs – the XM 2001 Crusader and XM1203 Non-Line-of-Sight Cannon.

The facade of the new howitzer looks similar to its predecessor the M109A6 or even the original M109 self-propelled gun from the 1960s.

But Freedberg stressed that “PIM is more like surgically transplanting someone’s head onto a new body: It takes the old gun turret and installs it on an all-new chassis.”

UK-based contractor BAE Systems, which developed the new howitzer, also stressed that M109A7 is more than just upgrade of an already existing hardware.

“M109A6 built a new turret and put it on the old chassis. M109A7 put a new chassis under the A6 turret, with a few upgrades to the turret, and effectively in two steps the Army built a new howitzer,” Mark Signorelli, BAE Systems head of combat vehicle programs, told Breaking Defense.

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Despite PIM receiving a new electronic gun drive system and an improved automated loader, its canon 155/39 mm will remain unchanged.

The gun is capable of firing four rounds per-minute, including M982 Excalibur precision munition with range of 40km.

The M109A7 turned out to be 25 percent heavier than its predecessor, with the new model generating 50 percent more horsepower and almost four times as much electrical power.

The PIM project is being praised not for combat qualities, but primarily for its cost-efficiency.

According to Military-Today website, the new self-propelled gun “shares engine, transmission, tracks and some other components with the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle. Such commonality allows to reduce production, operating and maintenance costs.”

Earlier, Signorelli told Defense News website that one “could take a driver out of a Bradley, drop him in a PIM, and he'd be just as at home, whereas before it was a completely different vehicle."

The US military plans to purchase 580 sets of PIMs, which are expected to remain in service until 2050.

The first deliveries are expected to arrive later this year, while full-scale production will only begin in 2017.


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Paladin PIM armament

The Paladin M109A7 artillery system is armed with a 155mm M284 cannon with a M182A1 gun mount and an automated loader. The 155mm artillery system can fire at a sustained rate of one round a minute whereas the maximum rate of fire is four rounds a minute. The system has a range of 22km with standard projectiles and 30km with rocket-assisted projectiles.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/paladin-m109a7-155mm-artillery-system/

 

The Russians are the kings of rocket artillery. I would suggest you look up Smerch.

 

It's just that [MENTION=69914]starcitizen[/MENTION] has no clue of what he is talking about.

 

You're delusional if you think one missile can sink a super carrier with thousands of separate water tight compartments designed specifically with missiles in mind having learned the lessons of WW2 and the Kamikaze attacks. This also assumes that these missiles could even get through the batteries of countermeasures of the carrier and its escorts ships designed specifically to target incoming missiles. Oh and let's not forget that any missile fired at our surface fleet would have it's operators instantly detected by our AWACs and would not get the opportunity to fire a 2nd.

 

As a former soldier, the one thing I would be really intimidated about regarding the Russian army is their rocket artillery. The Smerch, the Grad, that crazy thermobaric launcher they have are all world class and I would be very scared to have to face their fire.

 

Yep they have a total of 106 with a max range with their newest upgrade of 90km as opposed to more than a 1000 M270A1s fielded by the US military with a max range of 300kms, it's good to be the king baby.

 

The Smerch aren't their only launchers. Smerch, BM-21 Grad, the TOS-1. They have a bunch of different rocket artillery pieces, not including their theater ballistic and cruise missile launchers that fill the same role as the ATACMS.

Russia has 2,000 BM-21's and BM-27's.

 

If you believe the Russian forces are antiquated, rather than being more efficient at a much lower cost, then you are going to be unpleasantly surprised... when the time comes, and it will. Never underestimate the Russians. That's what Hitler did when he thought they had just 5 thousand tanks, and it turned out to be 35 thousand... and they were superior to the German ones as well.

If the Russians are making some of their capabilities known, such as the accuracy of their missiles shot from the Caspian Sea, and from ships much smaller than assumed possible, it's so they can get the US to stop the provocations and start talking peace.

 

The grad is not a guided rocket artillery system, they were outdated 4 decades ago, 1700 out of 2500 are in storage, and have a max range of 45 kms, we have more operational guided artillery rocket systems with 6 times the range than they do unguided Cold War relics first deployed in 1963.

 

Again, the BM-27 is a more modern design and they have thousand of them.

Most rockets fired by the MLRS aren't guided either. The ATACMS (the guided missile the MLRS can fire) has a role filled in the Russia army by theater ballistic and cruise missiles.

 

Yes yes the Russians are the most technologically advanced nation on earth with the greatest military the world has ever seen. Oh FYI the only ones acting provocatively are the Russian imperialists invading their peaceful neighbors in unprovoked wars of aggression and conquest and strafing our ships and aircraft sailing and flying in international waters and airways.

 

In this case, you can be proud of the American military equipment.

 

Your ships? In Ukraine has no Navy.

 

He's from Ukraine. He writes only nonsense.

 

Not guided, max range 35km, 500-800 operational.

The M270 is a ready made guided rocket system and their unguided missiles are being phased out for tge extended range guided variant under contract from Lockheed the same goes for the high mobility variants, and now do you really want to compare US and RF missile capabilities or numbers? Ya they lose even worse there bud.

 

I question the motive of someone obsessed with tearing down the other guy. It reeks of fear.
I question the mental capacity of someone who seems to believe everything they read.

You are cute tho

 

I don't see what point you are trying to make... First of all, carriers are escorted by ships with aegies defense, secondly the US has more missiles, and ships, and infitely more money than russia. What's your point?

 

Here is my point.



"The United States Navy is a powerhouse. The fleet consists of roughly 430 ships in active service or reserve."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a15297/us-navy-entire-fleet/

Cost of 1 Carrier = 4.5 billion
Cost of 1 missile = 1 million

You can fire 4,500 missiles for the price of 1 carrier

Let's give our navy 20 more ships to make it look nicer.

4500
-------- = 100
450

For the price of 1 carrier, Russia could have enough missiles to wipeout the whole entire US Navy fleet 100 times over.

 

Is this you conceding that your OP is bull(*)(*)(*)(*)?

 

The standard artillery rockets for the MLRS are not guided. The ATACMS is but it is a guided missile and not an artillery rocket.

 

IF you destroy an American army with your superior weapons, in no time at all they will have built a brand new one with even newer weapons.
Find a smaller enemy to fight.

 

4500/450=10

Bad maths but your point is made well even on those numbers.

 

Yeh. I sort of realized that mistake too late. Should have used my head instead of a calculator. I accidentally typed 45000.