Kamala Harris kicks off presidential campaign with Oakland rally

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    You are misrepresenting her quote. This is what she actually said:
    "Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care, and you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require. Who of us has not had that situation, where you've got to wait for approval, and the doctor says, well, I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this? Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on."

    What she said is that you don't have to go through an insurance company, not that you can't go through an insurance company. And when she said lets eliminate that, she didn't mean people's private insurance, she means having to go through private healthcare to be covered. I wish you wouldn't chop up and cherry pick what she said to try to bend her words.
     
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    I'm cherry picking nothing. I'm giving the exact quote of the question and the answer. Her reasons for eliminating insurance companies are interesting but the fact is she wants them eliminated.

    “I believe the solution — and I actually feel very strongly about this — is that we need to have Medicare for all,” Harris said in response to an audience question about healthcare affordability. “That’s just the bottom line.”

    So for people out there who like their insurance, they don’t get to keep it?” CNN’s Jake Tapper asked.

    Let’s eliminate all of that,” Harris responded, “let’s move on.”
     
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    No you didn't you include her whole quote. You chopped off almost all of her response except the part when she said lets eliminate that, so it looks like she was referring to the question, and not the problem she was discussing, that you conveniently excluded.
     
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    The question nails her down. She was forced to admit her plan does not even allow you to have private health insurance.
     
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    Here is the part of the conversation you actually included in:

    Tapper: ... initially co-sponsored by Sen. Bernie Sanders. You're also a co-sponsor onto it. I believe it will totally eliminate private insurance. So for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it?
    Harris: Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care, and you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require. Who of us has not had that situation, where you've got to wait for approval, and the doctor says, well, I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this? Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on.
     
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    The last sentence in bold goes right along with the question and dnsssr I have gou multiple times. Her long diatribe eventually leads to the conclusion that you are forced off of private insurance and on to Medicare which in her in words "eliminates all of that". Really though the point is moot because after she was called out for this by fellow democrats she has been scrambling and stumbling as she attempts to walk this back.
     
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    Why would Bento Box be a best shot? What has he done to garner that support?
     
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    What has he done to garner national distain? The others have been on the radar for awhile they are much more know commodities imo
     
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    No it doesn't. That conclusion is for the first part of her response not directly to the question itself. She wants to eliminate having to be covered by private healthcare, which was what the first part of her response was about, not eliminate private healthcare. Every developed nation with a universal healthcare system allows private healthcare and banning private healthcare is simply not on the agenda for supporters of universal healthcare.
     
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    I’LL TAKE “TWEETS THAT DID NOT AGE WELL” FOR $500, ALEX:
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    It's Bernie's Turn!

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    Reducing income inequality isn't about getting free stuff or jealousy. Its about making sure that economic gains benefit everyone, not just those at the top.
     
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    And yet while Madura is shipping Venezuela's gold stores to Russia and the UAE, the folks in the People's Paradise are starving and turning tricks to survive.

    If only the Sophomore Class at Santa Cruz State could implement Socialism, why, it would be perfect!

    Venezuela is sitting on some of the world's richest energy deposits, soil that will grow nearly anything and an abundance of water and sunshine, yet the people are starving because they have such horrible people controlling society rather than allowing each person in the society seek their own interests, fulfill their own dreams in free association with one another to form cooperative groups of their choosing, within a lawful society.
     
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    I do not support the kind of socialism in Venezuela. I support progressive taxation and funding for retirement, healthcare, and education we see in the west.
     
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    We aren't Socialists. We are a Constitutional Republic with Retirement, Healthcare and Education.
     
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    Exactly, the policies I am suggesting are improved retirement, healthcare and education funded by progressive taxation. I am not suggesting we adopt the government style of a second-world country.
     
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    If you want an improved retirement, use less of your earnings now and use more to fund your IRA and enjoy the deferred tax benefit.
    Healthcare is serving the vast majority very well.
    Educational funding is more than adequate, what it is producing is subpar. Our Educational system needs to be freed from the compulsory hold of the Educational establishment that is sucking it dry.

    A good starting point is to allow students to bankrupt out from under student debt, with this allowing a clawback of half of that debt from the institutions it was spent at. That would give them skin in the game to ensure that they are providing marketable skills in exchange for the money they are accepting from the student.
     
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    I think most of the economic gains have been going to the wealthy because their positions and wealth gives them a lot of advantages. Because the rich have been doing so well, we can make taxes more progressive and use them to benefit all Americans. I do think people need to spend more responsibly, but I also believe in social security as well. Maybe we can set up a tax-payer funded IRA account for everyone with progressive taxes.

    Healthcare is vastly overpriced and is sucking Americans dry. I pay thousands every year for overpriced healthcare and still have to pay healthcare taxes for the poor. Its time to move to a universal healthcare system that is cost effective like every other developed nation has. My wife is pregnant and signed up for some pregnancy visits. On our first trip we and our insurance paid $800 to sit through a 1 hour presentation by a nurse with obvious stuff about pregnancy with 5 other couples. So they earned $4,000 in an hour for a stupid powerpoint presentation.

    As for students, part of the reason costs are going up is all this free money the government gives colleges. We need to stop tuition subsidizing and just keep some scholarships for the poor students who are academically gifted and only for relevant courses for in-demand majors. Instead we should give zero interest student loans for tuition, books, and cost of living for students, and paid back through salary deductions. This will save taxpayers hundreds of billions, encourage students to only do practical majors and practical technical schools while allowing anyone the chance to get a better life.
     
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    As I suggested you put more into your IRA and enjoy the tax benefit.
    The current system screws young people like yourself, as we warned you, but you guys begged for the screwing, so it's a little late to complain.
    What was your out of pocket expense for it?
    I can agree with that.
    And if they can't find work, allow them to bankrupt with a claw back of half of the writedown from the institution where the money was spent.
     
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    I'd set up the loan so that you only have to pay it if you are earning a salary. So there will be so much thing as student loan bankrupcy and need need for that. People will feel save knowing that if they pick a good major they can borrow a lot if that major is worth the dollar value they borrow.

    Personally, I don't put any money into an IRA because it makes more sense for my to pay down my house. After all my families basic expenses I only have $10,000 tops of possible savings money, and that is better invested in my house. If the government had tax-payer funded IRAs paid by progressive taxes, or even better social security benefits, that would definitely give me more peace of mind. When my income rises and the mortgage declines relative to inflation I can put more money into a Roth IRA.
     
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    I like to know more about What Beto's Problem is with the Constitution is first.

    When "Beto" O'Rourke questions whether the basic principles of the Constitution still apply in today's world, what exactly does he mean?
     
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    Of course your right but the only way the divisive left can win is to play the race/gender/color card and call their opponents racist and sexist. Hillary did it but the electorate was smart enough to reject those tactics.
     
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    Wow, Kamala Harris is pulling crowds of up to 35 elderly white women right now in Iowa. I haven't seen this kind of enthusiasm since 2016 when Tim Kaine spoke at a college in Florida a few days before the election - and 13 people showed up.
     

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