'Knockout Game' Suspect Charged With Hate Crime

im not switching any goalposts, just because you add more facts does not change the message. every time you speak of moving goalposts its nothing more than a dodge on the issue on your part. not my fault you dont like the facts presented to you, im sorry the real world does not agree with your agenda.

now go dodge someone elses facts, its all you are good at anyways.

 

I disagree.

I clearly and unequivocally demonstrated, using your claims, your own claims regarding the 200%, that hate crime charges are exactly the same across racial lines as known offenders.

Now I apologize if that destroys, thoroughly curb stomps, your earlier claim that blacks do not get as whites.

Your rebuttal was that Hispanics get counted as white, and never once did you provide a shred for that claim, and clearly, very, very clearly, that was moving the goalposts.

Please don't attack me. I did not make your argument wrong, and wrong consistently.

 

Sorry but I haven't read where the victims are overwhelmingly white anywhere and we must also realize that random chance alone could result in whites being attacked about 6-times more often than blacks based upon population demographics alone.

Once again it's up to local law enforcement to determine if a crime was racially motivated on a case-by-case basis and none of us can make that determination based upon general statistical information.

 

I make that assumption because law enforcement had evidence of it based upon the news story:

This might actually fall into a religion based hate crime as opposed to a race based hate crime from what the story states.

 

Even if what you claim is true,(and it's not) you have no right to speak on this until you've addressed the larger "trend" of instances of White on White crime committed in your communities!!! You know done overwhelmingly using guns. GDAY!!!

 

No right to speak of it? You don't have freedom of speech in whatever hell-hole you live? That's sad.

 

Do you think that the cases with the Jewish victims and the cases with the white victims have different motivations based on evidence? I don't see any references to evidence that makes these cases in the OP different from when the victims were white..

 

only one who is purposely intellectually dishonest cherry picks posts as you have done with mine because you dont want the facts you are trying to debate shown. If you want to debate with me, stop cherry picking and snipping posts, thats 3rd grade level actions.

and your opinion and omitting facts does not make my post wrong in any way. have a good night.

 

So we have more assumptions on your part yet again.

 

Face it, the whole knockout game is another tactic used by the Fox News klan to rile up their low information base.

It's all about the minority bogeyman. Whether it's blacks and this silly knock out game, "hispanics" and illegal immigration, muslims and terrorism, it's always something to rile up and scare their base.


You want to discuss it? Fine. It's a sick game played by low life hoodlums, and if all of the hoodlums playing this ridiculous game were shot while trying to knock someone out, I'd be applauding the shooter.

 

its not assumptions when its how this truly works.

 

LOL.


Right right. All of the facts that I presented earlier about incarceration rates, unwed pregnancy, high school drop out, and a host of other issues is all a big conspiracy by Fox news.

You sir are in denial, and until people admit that there is a problem, there will be no resolution.

Or... you know... those crazy things called facts.

Finally. Great. We agree. See, that was easy.

 

I think we need to address this whole problem with an objective unbiased eye.

Many, perhaps most, blacks have long held anti-Jewish prejudice and being "Jewish" is founded upon a "religious and racial/ethnic heritage" of the "Jewish" people. At the same time, according to my wife that is Jewish, many and perhaps most Jews have long held an anti-black prejudice (that I wasn't actually aware of personally until she told me). There is also anti-white racial prejudice by blacks as well as anti-black prejudice by whites.

The bottom line is that prejudice does result in discriminatory actions by the individual which can be the case be linked to the "knockdown game" that blacks are engaging in. The young black may indeed be targeting Jews and Whites based upon individual prejudice they have against them as a subconscious "act of retaliation" for the prejudice of Jews and Whites that adversely effects their daily lives. They're stereotyping "whites and Jews" because of invidious prejudice. That doesn't make it right because prejudice is wrong and they are generally striking out against people that have never caused them any harm. They are probably targeting innocent individuals, like the Jewish man targeted in the case noted in the OP, based upon prejudice.

Here is the problem though. We have "whites" that want to point out that "statistically" these probably are "hate crimes" based upon prejudice even though establishing them as hate crimes is very hard from a legal standpoint. At the same time these "whites" deny racial prejudice by "whites" because discrimination cases that are prosecutable are very rare in America although the statistics of anti-black racial prejudice exists that shows it is very high.

Statistical evidence is very high if we look at anti-white racial prejudice by blacks and the "knockout game" but prosecutable cases are very rare. The identical criteria exists related to anti-black racial prejudice by whites where statistical evidence is very high related to discrimination in employment but prosecutable cases are very rare.

If "white conservatives" want to use the statistical evidence of racial prejudice by blacks as establishing the linkage to the "knockout game" then they must also accept the statistical evidence of racial prejudice that results in discrimination against blacks by whites in America.

Basing opinions on prosecution alone is problematic because evidence necessary to prosecute is rare related to prejudice that leads to discrimination. Statistical evidence is far more relevant but if we accept the statistical evidence then we must accept it in all cases and not apply it based upon our own prejudice and that is a problem for conservatives related to the "knockout game" by blacks. They want to apply statistics of racial prejudice by blacks but then refuse to accept the statistics that 79% of "Republicans" express explicit anti-black racial prejudice because of their own prejudice.

 

The topic is the knockout game. If you want to go on right wing rants about other things regarding blacks, that's for another thread.

Fact of the matter is, this knockout game is only played by a few hoodlums, which makes it hardly an "epidemic".

 

Tell me about it. I'm just repeating what White folks say whenever a Non-Black kills a Black and we're outraged by it... It seemed apropos. BTW someone residing in Texas inferring someone living in Nebraska is in a hell-hole is utterly ridiculous. I live in Omaha the former capitol and still the largest city in Nebraska old chum. It's consistently ranked high as a place to live and raise kids, in fact it was #1 in this year by Movoto.com http://www.movoto.com/blog/top-ten/the-10-best-cities-to-raise-a-family-in-america/ and named the #3 best city to grow old in by The Fiscal Times in 2012. http://money.msn.com/baby-boomers/15-best-cities-to-grow-old-in#scpshrtu Here is a link with many more positive rankings of my hometown mister. http://www.selectgreateromaha.com/News_Center-Recent_Rankings.aspx GDAY!!!

 

Define a few? I see quite a "few" in each instance of a recorded knockout.

It isn't 3 like you want to pretend.

And all of those other facts goes to prove that there are massive social problems in the black community. This knock-out game is just another example.

Minimize and dismiss all you want. Pointing to facts is not racist. The black community needs to start policing its own community and becoming accountable for the mis-direction the facts represent. Only then will it be resolved.

 

What percentage of blacks do you think participate in this game? I mean, seriously?

The black community doesn't have to do anything really. Law abiding blacks aren't responsible for the actions of criminal blacks anymore than law abiding whites are responsible for the actions of criminal whites. How sad that conservatives think good people are responsible for the actions of bad people simply because they share the same skin color.

 

Cons here keep saying how they champion for a colorblind society, yet their actions speak louder.....

 

Do you have any understanding of the definitions of a hate crime?

Source: http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/hate-crime/

It's just delusional to think a black person cannot be racist toward a white because they are "oppressed" in a "white man's country". These are YOUTHS who have never lived under segregation, slavery or any other abusive set of cultural or legal bounds. They're as free by law as anyone else. I agree with you they most likely have experienced varying degrees of racism from white people, but how on earth can you believe the stupidity of some white people acting racist against them at some point (or points) in their past makes their actions reactionary? That's just ignoring the fact that they have minds, can rationally think for themselves, and they have chosen a behavior that demonstrates their own racist views.

Someone twisted your thinking at some point if you truly believe black people cannot be racist toward white people. We're all capable and the differentiator is if we choose to be or choose not to be. I grew up in a racist household, but I refuse to live my life in that way, refuse to think in that way, and they are free to do the same. Unfortunately, they have chosen not to.

Walking down a street until the right (white) potential victim is present before striking them is NOT reactive. Sorry, that's a proactive search for their prey. I find it difficult to believe they're so oppressed as teenagers that they have to go out and stalk the streets for their next victims in reaction to the severity of their oppression. That's not even rational.

 

So we will continue to act as though the lifestyle and lack of a social compass that lead to this type of behavior, such as lack of education, single mothers, and incarceration don't play a part.

And we will ignore the facts that these conditions are far more prevalent in the black community.

Got it.

 

Liberals say they are driven by facts. Actions speak louder than words.

 

So basically you are agreeing with me that cons here are lying when they speak about wanting a colorblind society?

 

Was this post sarcasm or just ignorance?

It's obvious that Trayvon's murder was a hate crime because George Zimmerman stereotyped him as one of 'those who always got away'. Minorities can be racist against other minorities and against whites.

 

There is no such thing as a colorblind society. Its impossible. There has been no such claim, at least from me.

So long as there are studies and facts aligned with ethnicity divisions, there will be no such thing as a colorblind society. That, like most things, is an idealistic pipe dream pushed by liberals... ironically through programs that "level" colorblindness.

Eitherway... you can pretend that facts don't matter all you want, everybody else know they do. And the facts prove that there are major societal issues in the black community which are leading to ongoing issues, such as the knockout game.

Those sir are facts. Color driven or otherwise. Accept whats real, and put your pipe dreams on the shelf.

 

Cons are the biggest race baiters out there. Look at their hero Reagan. There has never been a bigger race baiter than Ronald " I believe in states rights" Reagan,

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We aren't ignoring anything.

Fact is, black people aren't responsible for the actions of other blacks just because they share the same skin color.