'Knockout Game' Suspect Charged With Hate Crime

Discussion in 'Law & Justice' started by superbadbrutha, Nov 30, 2013.

  1. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    47,624
    Likes Received:
    48,666
    Trophy Points:
    113
    During a civilian matter, in an effort to taint potential jury pools and prejudge the case in the court of public opinion Barack Obama said, "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon Martin." Now that's race-baiting! Enjoy.
     
  2. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2010
    Messages:
    15,356
    Likes Received:
    3,414
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do you realize how convoluted your answer was? Basically you are doing your best to justify why one race should be "protected" via the hate crime law and another race wouldn't. If we simply shelved the hate crime law....it would solve the problem of treating victims differently because of their race. AND when we treat the criminal differently---we are treating the victim differently as well. Just shelve it.
     
  3. Glock

    Glock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2012
    Messages:
    4,796
    Likes Received:
    43
    Trophy Points:
    48

    I know, but it's so adorable to sit back and watch them lie to themselves....
     
  4. After Hours

    After Hours Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2013
    Messages:
    5,359
    Likes Received:
    233
    Trophy Points:
    63
    And yet that still doesn't come close to saint Ronnie's state rights speech.

    How sad.

    Oh well, good thing there will never be a conservative president again. Those days are over.

    - - - Updated - - -

    The truth is a foreign concept to cons. Always has been, always will be,
     
  5. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    47,624
    Likes Received:
    48,666
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Riiiiiiiiight . . . sheesh!
     
  6. After Hours

    After Hours Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2013
    Messages:
    5,359
    Likes Received:
    233
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Maybe Obama learned his race baiting from Reagan. After all, Reagan was elected president in large part due to race baiting.
     
  7. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2010
    Messages:
    25,273
    Likes Received:
    1,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Jews and heterosexual straight white males control the entire country, and share that reign of power with each other. These crimes are not from active racism, but the lack of government funding for extracurricular activities towards poor inner city youths which are predominantly black.

    Therefore its not possible for blacks to commit hate crimes against Jews or straight white males with the knock out game, since they as a group don't have the wealth nor influence to motivate such crimes as the KKK did in the past, or some whites do today with their similar shared ideology.
     
  8. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    47,624
    Likes Received:
    48,666
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sigh . . . much different era, much different standards, much different goals, much different results. You might as well go further back in time and compare Obama to Lincoln. Oh wait, leftwingers did that from the very get go . . . and got that wrong as well.
     
  9. SMDBill

    SMDBill Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2013
    Messages:
    2,715
    Likes Received:
    260
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I can't see in any way how wealth has a single ounce of relevance to whether someone can commit a hate crime against another group. If a race attacks another race because of its race, it's a hate crime. Adding the caveats you chose to select doesn't change the truth. And you can't blame government for not providing "extracurricular activities" for making them behave like that. It's a choice and we've heard of racist rants after they commit the act that are directed at the color of the person they attacked. 100% hate crime and no set of excuses can change that.

    What I don't understand is why hate crimes are easy to peg to one race, but denied when pegged to another race. We're all capable of hateful actions and theirs just happen to be getting a lot of media attention because it appears to be spreading to cities that hadn't previously experienced it. Nobody made them act the way they have. It's a choice.
     
  10. Roderick2013

    Roderick2013 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1,382
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Oh dear we're back to your President Obama woody.

    George Zimmerman claims to be white.

    He is listed as 'white' on all of his arrest reports not even White Hispanic. So who are we supposed to believe you or him?

    The funny part is that you're the real race baiter because you don't accept him as white.

    I guess the One Drop Rule applies to Hispanics as well as blacks in your world.

    If George Zimmerman had been black his father would not have had the connections to get George out of the police office with a slap on the wrist and he would have pleaded to at least a manslaughter charge.
     
  11. Roderick2013

    Roderick2013 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1,382
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    No white racists only treat other whites as individuals, but minorities are communities.
     
  12. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    47,624
    Likes Received:
    48,666
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If Zimmerman had been Black then the Left would never have paid any attention to the shooting whatsoever and Obama would never have said, "If I had a son . . ."

    As for Zimmerman he can call himself Mr. Twinkles, but he's still a Brown-Hispanic with a half indigenous population bloodline. Had he not shot Martin the Left would NEVER have called him a White-Hispanic . . . not with his skin tone or bloodline.
     
  13. Roderick2013

    Roderick2013 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1,382
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That just proves how little white racists know about what goes on in the black community.

    Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson regularly have marches against gang violence, black-on-black crime and other ills that adversely impact the black community, bu tthe only time they pay attention is when either one of them speaks out against white-on-black violence.

    They are plain ignorant.
     
  14. Roderick2013

    Roderick2013 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1,382
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    We are calling George as he self-identifies.

    Furthermore if George had been black:
    1) He would not have approached Trayvon like the white George did
    2) He would have been promptly arrested, prosecuted, found guilty and sent to jail.

    Furthermore there are other elements to Trayvon's death like he was unarmed and when did a fistfight end in death were why the case made international headlines.
     
  15. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    47,624
    Likes Received:
    48,666
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, the end of that story is that after a racist MSM and Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, and Barack Obama tried to corrupt the path of justice, poison the jury pool, and prejudge the case in the eyes and perceptions of citizens . . . justice prevailed and Brown-Hispanic Zimmerman was found not-guilty. If due to stress or other reasons Zimmerman does something wrong and ends up in prison now, that is a different story and case.
     
  16. Roderick2013

    Roderick2013 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1,382
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Corrupt the path of justice? ROTFLMBAO!!

    What did President Obama say about George's guilt or innocence?

    President Obama only said that if either of his daughters had been murdered he would have wanted an investigation also.

    The only person who veiws his comments through a racist lens is YOU!!

    But you're not objective enough to deal with the fact that you are the biased one.

    If George does something wrong now due to stress????

    Maybe you should check his behavior before he murdered Trayvon. He's been a violent mess for many, many years before he left his truck to follow a teenager against common sense and the unarmed teenager ended up dead for no reason other than walking while black.
     
  17. After Hours

    After Hours Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2013
    Messages:
    5,359
    Likes Received:
    233
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ah, Reagan's much more blatant race baiting gets a pass because it was from a "much different " era, got it.

    I love how cons make excuses for the losers they elected, what hypocrites.

    Oh well, Reagan and Nixon's race baiting is actually the main reason the current Republican party is in shambles, so in a way I thank them for what they did.
     
  18. Roderick2013

    Roderick2013 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1,382
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Of course Regean began is 1980 campaign at the Neshoba County Fair near Philadephia, MS where in 1960s three civil rights workers were killed because they were trying to help register blacks to vote.

    Can you clue me on on Obama's race baiting?

    I believe its all projection on the parts of posters like Gatewood because Obama is the first black president.

    They are the race baiters not the President.
     
  19. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,074
    Likes Received:
    10,583
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Blacks ARE responsible for statistics about their communities. Statistics that play a large part in explaining why most of these crimes are being carried out by blacks.
     
  20. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,074
    Likes Received:
    10,583
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gotcha.

    So we should ignore statistics in the name of political correctness.

    That should solve all the problems.
     
  21. After Hours

    After Hours Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2013
    Messages:
    5,359
    Likes Received:
    233
    Trophy Points:
    63
    It's not political correctness.

    It's that law abiding blacks aren't responsible for the actions of criminal blacks. It's really that simple. I realize that conservatives are obsessed with skin color, so it's hard for them to understand.
     
  22. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Messages:
    45,715
    Likes Received:
    885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It is very likely that an oppressed people will have a negative opinion (prejudice) against their oppressor. What must also be acknowledged is that when they are a small minority that there is very little that they can do to adversely affect the majority that oppresses them. The oppressed minority cannot, for example, discriminate by not employing the majority if they don't own the vast majority of enterprises that employ the vast majority of the people.

    There are some that express the opinion that rarely do the blacks face discrimination and oppression based upon anti-black racial prejudice but that is false. Due to false racial stereotyping roughly 56% of Americans expressed explicit antip-black racial prejudice in a study last year and that was broken down into groups. 32% of Democrats, 79% of Republicans, and interestingly 40% of blacks also expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice. Even blacks have been brainwashed into stereotyping blacks to the point that they harbor racial prejudice against their own people.

    Prejudice it the predominate foundation for discrimination and unlike what many "conservatives" seem to believe a black person faces discrimination daily in their lives and sometimes that discrimination is even from their own race. We know, for example, that black police officers are statistically likely to discriminate against black in law enforcement and even black jurors have demonstated anti-black racial prejudice in our criminal justice system. A young black person can't even walk in a neighborhood at night without some automatically assuming they're there for nefarious criminal reasons (e.g. Zimmerman-Martin case). Blacks can't walk into a store without some automatically assuming they're there to rob the store even in their own communities.

    "Conservatives" often express the false belief that the ending of overt discrimination under the law somehow resulted in equality for blacks in American but fail to understand that discrimination under the law was just a symptom of discrimination by society against African-Americans and we can see that same invidious discrimination creeping back "under the law" today. There are "conservative" states passing "voter ID laws" that would force a person to purchase "government documents" in order to vote that the "poor" simply can't afford to purchase and "blacks" represent the "poorest" of Americans. There was never a justification for these "voter ID cards" as the cases of voter fraud at the polls are extremely rare. Texas passed a "voter ID law" like this and yet in Texas there were only four cases of voter identification fraud prosecuted at the polls over an eight year time frame. Of course such laws are probably unconstitutional because they impose a de facto poll tax on the voters that was common under the Jim Crow laws prior to the Civil Rights movement that were used to suppress the black vote.

    Basically as soon as a "conservative" Supreme Court struck down provisions of the Voting Rights Act that stopped Jim Crow voting laws "Republicans" began passing Jim Crow voting laws.

    With all of this said is it unusual for someone that is oppressed to violently strike back at those that oppress them? I don't thing that is surprising to anyone. Of course it's not right but it is to be expected that a few extremists will. The terrorist attacks of 9/11 were representative of small group of extremists from an "oppressed people" violently striking back against their perceived oppressor.

    Oppression creates the extremists and the real solution is to stop the oppression but we're not doing that when it comes to blacks in America. In fact far to many deny that the oppression even exists and they are the ones most likely to be the oppressors. "Conservatives" on this thread want to paint the "knockout game" as a case of black anti-white racial prejudice but also want to ignore that eight out of ten "conservatives" (i.e. Republicans) expressed anti-black racial prejudice based upon a study last year and this statisic alone numerically represents more whites with anti-black racial prejudice than the entire population of blacks in America. They want to ignore the fact that a black person is 25-times more likely to be a victim of a racially motivated hate crime than a white person according to FBI statistics.

    The number of victims of the "knockout game" is insignificant when compared to number of hate crimes committed by whites against blacks in America.
     
  23. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,897
    Likes Received:
    63,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the fear that the "knockout game" causes on society at large, it makes it more then just an assault... the crime should be punished as a hate crime

    .
     
  24. After Hours

    After Hours Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2013
    Messages:
    5,359
    Likes Received:
    233
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Yep, what Reagan did was truly disgusting. And while I think it would have been better if Obama didn't comment on the Trayvon Martin case, I don't think what he said constitutes as race baiting. However, even if I agreed that it was race baiting, it still doesn't come close to Saint Ronnie's "states rights" speech.
     
  25. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    22,806
    Likes Received:
    1,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think we should let the knockout-game victim deliver a sucker-punch hay-maker to the perp just before he is led (err carried) off to prison.
     

Share This Page