Kremlin criticizes arrival of US military in Ukraine

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  1. Johnny Brady

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    Yes, it'd be as difficult as cutting out a cancer.
    However if Putin decided to put boots and tanks on the ground in huge strength he could steamroller up the river valleys where much of ISIS's tentacles are, crushing them as he goes-

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    What shepherds, politicians or military leaders or what?
     
  3. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One problem there, it's not the Russians but the people of the Donbas that are fighting the illegitimate government Washington installed in Kiev. Of course if you don't believe in democracy, and feel that only the minority in the West should be represented in Ukraine, then that's a different story.

    Anyway talking about this is useless. The Minsk agreement had conditions to help Ukraine remain united, and Kiev doesn't want to follow them. They prefer war.
     
  4. Durandal

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    Apply it as you will, I suppose. It's a statement about being an independent thinker and actor as opposed to sheepishly flocking and following others, I would say.
     
  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's British spin. Putin was accused of wanting to take over Ukraine, and he responded by telling them that if he wanted to take it over, his armies would have been in Kiev in two weeks. To be honest, I don't think Russia would even be needed. The Novorussiya armies of Donbas proved they are capable of freeing Mariupol, Odessa, and the other cities from the Nazis, and be in Kiev in two weeks... and they would have done it if Russia hadn't stopped them when Poroshenko sued for peace.

    As for Russia, they would have reached Paris in the same amount of time or even less time... and that would have been with conventional weapons.
     
  6. Durandal

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    :alcoholic: I don't think so.
     
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    yes he lost a close friend...and he may be next...watch your back jack..how well do you know your boss?
     
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    Reached Paris..lol...that's a good one ..steamrolled over Germany where the yanks have troops and tomahawks, with nuclear tips , Russia would cease to exist as of right now if it tried...but then Russians always were kinda stupid in that sense! Seriously (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) nozzle get some psychiatric help!:roflol:
     
  9. Jeannette

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    They say the first thing in General Montgomery's handbook is never attack Russia. Well guess what, these attacks against Russia have been going on non stop by Washington and it's propaganda networks since before the Olympic games. I think they should have heeded General Montgomery's advice. But as the saying goes, fools rush in where wise men fail to tread.

    I say the Russian army will be in Paris in one week for unlike Europe, the Russians have motivation, since there isn't a day that passes that some lie or other offense isn't being thrown their way by Washington's propaganda networks.

    The Europeans are fools and have been made to believe the US will help them... which they won't. As soon as they realize they are on their own, it's white flag time. :truce:
     
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    This is what I don't get . . .

    "Mosul battle: US says IS using human shields"

    but the US doesn't seem to be aware of the fact that an identical scenario is in progress within Aleppo.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37699233
     
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    Iraq, Syria, and now Ukraine? (and where next, I ask myself? :roll: )? Washington had better not spread 'the poor bloody infantry' too thinly otherwise Kim Jong-un will creep up behind and bite its sorry ass!

    (figuratively speaking of course? :mrgreen: )
     
  12. Durandal

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    :laughing: They're not going to try, and they wouldn't make it if they did..
     
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    Don't lie! In the past the Ukrainian authorities wanted that in the UN recognized Motorolla and Zakhzrachenko as the terrorist, but in the UN have answered - No, it is politized! The UN don't supported Ukrainian fascists again.:smoking:
     
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    what you talking about? who told it?
     
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    Well let's see how they carry the attack in Mosul if there is any diffrence, what we had to deal with in Gaza is now happening in Mosul and Aleppo, only with much much less media coverage.
     
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    Russia should have been left alone with the Crimea affair, evryone knew its not going to lose its naval base, but Im not buying the Putin angle of chivelry and peace nonesense his followers are spreading, he is a tough leader looking after the intersts of his country burning and kiling if that what it takes, he flamed Ukraine because of Crimea and he also kills civilians to kill Nusra terrorists, these are the facts, telling us he had nothing to do with Ukraine and that there are no civilians in Aleppo - are an insult to the intelligence.
     
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    Aha, so they started a war in Iraq to eventualy create ISIS so it will take over Iraq but will lose it and retreat to Syria and that's the real objective, if you saw that in a James Bond movie you'd say its the dumbest worst movie of the series.

    US makes mistakes Ill agree to that every day but only a brain washed Putinner will think its all planned and that Putin is God sent Messiah.
     
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    Don't you worry abot |Putin - he knows what he's doing. And any leader worth his salt should kill the enemies of the country they lead. Countries with strong leaders are usually more orderly and civilized than those with weak ones. You have a strong leader right now, and Israel seems quite as ease with itself.
     
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    The first time I hear such crazy logic from the Israeli. Putin hasn't shed any blood in the Crimea! The Ukrainian Nazis bomb Donbass, but Putin has found peaceful solution - the Minsk agreements which unfortunately the Ukrainian junta no want do it and Putin is guilty? Get lost.
     
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    Give your reason why we should put troops into the middle of another country's civil war or rebellion?

    Shouldn't Russia put more troops into Syria? Shouldn't Russia have put troops into Libya? Into Iraq before both Gulf Wars? Everywhere it is social revolution Russia shouldn't put in troops on behalf of the government?
     
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    I can't believe you actually belive the Obama bill of goods you got sold.

    A bit off this topic, but during the eviction of the Soviets by the Mujahedeen , we had members of congress crying we were not helping the Afghanistan freedom fighters at all. At that time, the CIA was moving weapons of many types in right under Reagan's nose. What comes from the Obama team is bogus.
     
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    I believe that Ukraine shot down the airliner. They had the tracking radar and motive.
     
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    The CIA does what it likes, and it gets up to a lot, because it's got all the money and all the resources. And why not? It engineers the whole world to keep ticking under US control. What's going on now in the Middle East is just the latest CIA project, no doubt. Not everything goes to plan, but then I'm sure they plan for such contingencies and adapt as needed. Part of this is media control, of course, and any media outside of the US is fair, legal game. Domestic media is also game, but not so legally because the CIA isn't technically supposed to operate within the US, as I understand it.

    Big Brother has gone global.
     
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    Putin probably won't...makes his job easier..let kyiv take him out..frees him up to choose one his trusted inner circle to do the job! These rebels are about as reliable as a carpet on ice!
     
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    Reading the book "Charlie Wilson's War" is very illuminating.

    For instance, when Reagan wanted to fight communists in Nicaragua, Democrats went nuts stopping him. Frankly I think this is one of my reasons for being more willing to trash Democrats than when I was one of them.

    But Charlie Wilson fought Communists at a great distance from the USA.

    The CIA had no funds for the Sandinista war. They were aware funds for the Sandinistas were flowing in from Saudi Arabia.

    A very good book that documents that is by the couple, Strober. "Reagan and his presidency"

    So, I learn in the book how Congress, if you are on the right committee and are the right one, can actually spend money the president is not aware of. They can flow directly to the CIA, at least when Wilson was the congressman, and direct funds to specific weapons. Charlie tried to manage the CIA.

    Charlie Wilson also was a huge fan of us defeating the Sandinistas. I don't recall in the movie if they focused on that or not.

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    This is the book to own when discussing Reagan. It uses nothing but facts. It engages interviews with the principals and gives their version. And counter versions by others. You read history and you get to judge based on actual evidence.
     

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