Laid off: Newspapers drop office cartoon 'Dilbert' over creator's racial remarks

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  1. Joe knows

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    BLM is racist, I never said blacks were racist. And if we told blacks to do the same thing during a protest the group would have been labeled a white supremacy hate group. You know that’s a fact but here you are defending these actions.
     
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    Since you agree all lives matter, shouldn't the slogan be all lives matter?:roll:
     
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    Yeah, let's change the subject.
     
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    Do me a favor, Joe, and stop trying to tell me what I "know." The truth of the matter, is I have no f****** idea what the hell you are even saying, with your words, "if we told blacks to do the same thing during a protest, the group would have been labeled a white supremacy hate group." Care to rephrase that, so it is comprehensible? Are you saying that if "we told" blacks to act the way the J6 protestors acted, and for whatever reason they followed our instructions? If so, it would have been a lot less confusing, had you just said "if BLM protestors had been acting the same way as the J6 crowd..."

    While BLM protestors would certainly get a bad name, if they acted like the J6 group, they would certainly not be labeled a White Supremacy hate group. But it seems, to me, that you are making the point that the BLM protestors behaved much better than did the J6 mob. While not 100% of them were angels, and at all times compliant with the law, there had been a minimum of 15 million of them (& as many as 26 million), so with any group that size, it is unrealistic to expect no trouble, whatsoever. The estimate I read was that their protests were 93% peaceful. While even that 7% that was not law abiding, is higher than I would like it to have been, we have to remember 3 things:

    1) They were protesting over the issue of George Floyd, with video evidence of White cops, certainly in the view of many protestors, apparently executing a black suspect. This was not a one-off incident, but just another in a long line of such instances, of the members of their race being treated as less than human, by members of law enforcement. IOW, it was a highly emotional issue for the protestors, about something that most of the black ones were concerned about, or contending with, in their own lives. Feeling that the police could kill any members of your race, in most cases with impunity, would be more upsetting to anyone, than believing an election was stolen. No matter how out of control the rage of some of the J6 crowd, it is only reasonable to expect they would have shown an even greater lawlessness, had they thought that police were targeting MAGA followers, and killing them.

    <Snip, from your first link>
    A study from Harvard shows that Black Americans are roughly
    three times more likely to be killed during an encounter with police compared with white people. Black adults are also five times more likely to say they've been unfairly stopped by police because of their race, according to the Pew Research Center.
    <End Snip>


    2) There were often counter-protestors, from militias like the Proud Boys, instigating violence, between the groups.

    3) Even with this, that 93% peaceful & compliant with the law, blows the J6 crowd's percentage, out of the water. Not at all close.
    *

    Given all that, it is mystifying as to what point your post had been trying to make. Do you think you could be clearer, on a second go 'round?


    Lastly, to call the entire Black Lives Matter movement, "racist," on your two flimsy examples, does not make a convincing case, that you are not inclined, generally, to judge blacks to be racist. You cited actions at only two particular marches-- isn't that right? And you think it is fair to judge an entire organization, and the millions who are a part of it, from that? Or is this just another example of you not being very clear, in your word choice?




    *If you had not been referring at all to J6, I don't think it would be fair for you to blame me for having mis-guessed what you had meant by "the same thing." That is a very obscure "description."
     
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    No, because the POINT, is to protest against police not treating black suspects the same way, overall, as they treat white ones. No one needs to point out to police, that "white lives matter," because their behavior indicates that they are, by & large, aware of that already. Once more, the meaning that should be readily discernable to anyone at least 10 years old, is that Black lives matter, TOO! Or black lives ALSO matter. But, for a slogan, BLM is catchier, and simpler, than BLMAW (black lives matter, as well).
     
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    I know. You think it's about injustices toward blacks. Moron.
     
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    Well that means that many Africans are incredibly stupid as almost all European white people do not have the albino gene.
    And they indeed produce melanin which means they cannot be albino.

    However it is a fact that many black people have light skin on the palms of their hands and the bottom of their feet, which proves that their ancient ancestors were not dark skin.
     
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    Dilbert 2.jpeg


    I do not care if Scott Adams is a racist or not, I miss Dilbert. I think it is outrageous that a few ill chosen remarks could destroy his career.

    I had always thought that Scott Adams was the kind of leftist who could appeal to college educated employees. The targets of his satire were not big government, high taxes, and lazy government bureaucrats.

    Scott Adams' targets were imperious bosses in the private sector, alienating work environments, and CEO's who give themselves raises and bonuses after firing people arbitrarily.
     
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    So half of blacks polled expressed racism against whites. I would think newspapers would see that as a story idea.
     
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    What you call "racism against blacks" I think of as a reasonable response to black social pathology.

    It is regrettable that most whites - including white liberals - treat young black men they do not know as potential criminals. Nevertheless, many whites - including me - have learned that it is better to be safe than sorry.

    My rule is that a young black man I do not know is someone I should avoid proximity to, unless he is obviously dressed for work or church. This is particularly true of a group of young black men. They are probably safe, but they might rob me, beat me up, or even kill me.

    Young white men, young Asian men, and even young Hispanic men are less likely to be dangerous.
     
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    the black people that hate white people
    are as bad as
    the white people that hate black people

    people should be free to call out the obvious, regardless of the race of the racists, but his hating all black people because of some black racists makes him as bad as the black racists, as that would make him a white racist

    "The poll that Adams cited asked two questions: (1) Do you agree or disagree with this statement: "It’s OK to be white," (2) Do you agree or disagree with this statement: "Black people can be racist, too." The poll found that 26% of Black respondents said "no" to the first question, and 21% said they weren’t sure, which Adams concluded meant 47% had a negative response."

    from the poll, it showed about 26% of blacks that voted in the poll are racist, we do have a issue with racism in this country and it is getting worse, both white and black racists
     
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    I still miss Dilbert. :cry:
     
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    it is sad, was a good one, but he opened his mouth and that came out, there are consequences to that
     
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    I think there are too many taboos against criticizing blacks, and I think there is much to criticize.

    There are blacks who are intelligent, monogamous, and law abiding. Unfortunately, they do not characterize the Negro race.

    East Asians do tend to be intelligent, monogamous, and law abiding. That is why I prefer them to people of my own race.
     
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    he made his statements again ALL blacks, had he just made them against racist blacks, I would agree
     
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    His was a foolish explosion of anger that was over reacted to.

    I agree that in criticizing a race one should mention tendencies and averages, rather than make blanket condemnations.
     
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    agree, regardless if it's a white criticizing black racists or a black criticizing white racist, both need to be careful not to use that as a reason to hate an entire race or they cross the line and become what they hate
     
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    Even so, I do not think it was right for newspapers to stop running Dilbert. At most an editorial condemning the remark and a month suspension would have been appropriate.

    Hate speech should mean something like saying that all Jews must die. Statements like that should not be allowed. Those who make them should be punished.

    All too frequently, hate speech can mean something like pointing out that the average black IQ is fifteen points lower than the average white IQ.

    Moreover, many who think it is acceptable to call for the death of all Jews think it is not acceptable to mention durable race gaps in average IQ.
     
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    Judging by your previous post from this, you might wanna take your own advice there, bro….
     
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    Your race is Homosapien. That of blacks too. All other human races have been extinct.

    Btw, I'm not a friend of "Cancel Culture". If someone's a racist, he can still create good works of art that will please other people (who are non-racists). :)

    Btw2, regarding to 'israel's' genocide in Gaza, here in Germany many are insulted and ostracized as anti-Semites who do not agree with the inhumane actions of "Israel". :(
     

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