As already pointed out the Finnish study lacks any reference to possible mental conditions prior to pregnancy or abortion ... it is an incomplete study. Sex selective abortion is illegal in the UK, if there is evidence that it is or has happened then it should be brought to the attention of the relevant authorities .. as it stands and stated in the very article you linked to an "inquiry conducted by the British government found no evidence that women born abroad and now living in the UK were opting to abort females,"
Well there you go, we are talking here and the LEGAL REQUIREMENTS HERE and abortion as it is practiced HERE. I don't really care what you do you YOUR country it is none of my business it's a domestic matter.
AS opposed to that well thought out intellectual response to which I was referring Quote Originally Posted by Fugazi View Post Absolute BS as usual Spare me.
Highly intellectually considering the relevance of your comments .. quoting 12 year old items and debunked research, but then that is the level I have come to expect.
Bad answer. Take 20% off of the study's conclusion to account for the percentage of the general population with mental issues (we'll assume the study wasn't run at a mental institution), and the study still too alarming to ignore. Still a 270% increase !!! Unless, I guess, that one is just looking for excuses to ignore scientific data that doesn't support their world view. There has been no effort to repeat a study like this because there is a billion dollar abortion industry in this country that will besmirch the reputation of anyone foolish enough to attempt such a study. Shockingly, they are more than willing to fund endless studies that result in pro-abortion findings.
Fetus who are healthy are NOT legally aborted after week 20. . . So this is kind of a moot point. It is very rare that an infant with a serious handicap finds a permanent home (for adoption). He/She is usually placed in Foster care and is needs are managed by social services.
I am going to debate from the POV of living in MY country, not yours, ffs. smh I guess what you are saying is people in your country are so stupid, they need to see pictures.....
Bad answer - unless the prior mental state of ALL the people taking part in the study is built into it then removing an arbitrary figure means nothing. APA Abortion / Mental illness study - http://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion/ Extract - "critical evaluation of the published literature revealed that the majority of studies suffered from methodological problems, often severe in nature. Given the state of the literature, a simple calculation of effect sizes or count of the number of studies that showed an effect in one direction versus another was considered inappropriate. The quality of the evidence that produced those effects must be considered to avoid misleading conclusions. Accordingly, the TFMHA emphasized the studies it judged to be most methodologically rigorous to arrive at its conclusions." "None of the literature reviewed adequately addressed the prevalence of mental health problems among women in the United States who have had an abortion. In general, however, the prevalence of mental health problems observed among women in the United States who had a single, legal, first-trimester abortion for nontherapeutic reasons was consistent with normative rates of comparable mental health problems in the general population of women in the United States." " it is clear that some women do experience sadness, grief, and feelings of loss following termination of a pregnancy, and some experience clinically significant disorders, including depression and anxiety. However, the TFMHA reviewed no evidence sufficient to support the claim that an observed association between abortion history and mental health was caused by the abortion per se, as opposed to other factors." The study your provided as "evidence" was published in 1996, it is 20 years out of date, where as the study provided above by me was published in 2008 I suppose you next step will be to suggest that the APA is an abortion supporting organization
I disagree on the hospital privileges simply because it is yet another TRAP law aimed purely and solely at clinics that provide abortions, if it was about the females health then it would apply to ALL clinics, including dentists or any other clinic that uses medical procedures, the same goes for all the other faux items pro-life associates are attempting to force into law. The problem with the idea of coming to the table to compromise is that pro-life associates will NEVER be able to compromise .. give them a 20+ week ban for elective abortion and in a few years they will be fighting for a 16 week ban, then 12 etc etc. The debate needs to be moved away from what the fetus is to what it does.
The answer to all of this is to take the debate away from emotion and morality and move it to where it should have been from the start .. a medical procedure that is a private matter between doctor and patient. SCOTUS made a huge error, they should have struck any and all abortion restriction laws from the books, just as they did in Canada, by attempting to compromise they opened up the very situation that exists today. The 1973 SCOTUS decision was in reality a pretty Conservative one .. hence why there are pro-choice people who are slowly moving the debate away from what the fetus is to what it does, when that becomes the main argument the status of the fetus as a protected person becomes irrelevant.
They are informed .. if they wish to be, just as you can be informed if you wish to be, all the female has to do is ask to be fully informed about the procedure .. doctors have a legal and medical obligation to tell her, what you are purposing is that doctors be forced to tell her REGARDLESS of whether she wants to know or not. Yet again pro-lifers show their intent of forcing others to abide by their wants and desires.
This isn't Canada, and you can't reverse time and make it Canada. You don't get to 'move the debate', because you don't own it, you share it with someone who thinks what it is, is the entire debate and they will not stand silent. And you are still losing ground, in each and every battlefield while you try desperately to create that new dynamic on which you win somewhere, anywhere. You will be watching back alley abortions performed through a large swathe of the country, because no one can keep a clinic open and keep it staffed and funded. Its very ironic that you claim 'they' won't negociate. You won't either, about time frame you claim is not significant, and they have less and less and less reason to negotiate at all each year . That 20 week ban will not satisfy them, but it buys you time to 'reframe your debate' if you think you can. When you are losing, 'buying time' is a good strategy.
The APA is so well respected right for their work on psychological warfare. They received high marks for their help with torture operations in Guantanamo Bay by the CIA. So shocking that a study published by this group would have pro-death, pro-abortion findings. Also to my recollection this is the group that came out and rated previous studies. I couldn't tell if they actually do any research? Kind of ironic when a bunch of psychologists pretend to be scientists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychological_Association
Maybe they should have got off their butts and actually performed some science and interview a couple people. But they were financed by the abortion lobby, so they were too heavily invested in the proper outcome to actually perform a study. Perhaps they couldn't find a sample set large enough to support their point of view.
Who said anything about reversing time, getting backward countries to understand that restrictions on abortion simply do not work would be a move into the future as far as I am concerned, and for me the debate has already moved well beyond the bumper sticker notions and soundbites .. the debate as far as I am concerned is not longer about whether a fetus is, but about what it does. as far as the time frame is concerned, since when have laws been made to ban things that do not happen .. making a law to ban elective abortion after 20 weeks would be as much use as making a law stating it is illegal to breath underwater .. In case you didn't realise laws are not made to stop something that doesn't happen.
Really amusing that the link you provide states in it's opening paragraph the following "The American Psychological Association (APA) is the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the United States" The APA are the very people to comment on the PSYCHOLOGICAL effect of abortion .. guess what they found there is little if any. What people like you cannot understand that the very studies you cling to so desperately are flawed. - - - Updated - - - Of course you have ample evidence to support your accusation, please do provide it.
