Late Term Abortion - lazy women or desperately sad

You ARE the Queen of evasion but try this again:

""What gives you the right to try and stop others using the very same""? .. hypocrite

 

Evading the question I see, nothing new there then.

I didn't say anything about people changing their position, the point is that you used the system for your own advantage and now you want to stop others doing the same . .that is the position of a hypocrite.
If you want to use the same words as some of your pro-life cohorts you are a murderer, a killer and should face the full penalty of the law .. and please remember there is no statute of limitation for murder, be careful what you wish for CM it might just bite you.

 

And once again there is evasion and an attempt to derail the thread
nWhy? Because linking late term abortion with gross foetal abnormality would destroy a lot of the emotive power it now engenders

 

I have a question and me personally like to know and ask questions.

I understand late term abortions for some people find they are going to have a child who might have a disability and decide to abort because they are not able to care for that child properly (if born) or have no way to take care of that child.

Pro choice want to give women the choice of having abortions for safety reasons such as this or possibility of the woman dieing, So I understand this, in the fact that if it was for personal reasons to that person they should have the ability.

People against abortions is because if they are doing it for them personally such as they do not want a child at the time, for their job or other reasons such as this, this is bad right? So thats why people should have to have the baby full term regardless if they can financially take care of the child or possibly something bad could happen to both?

 

It isn't just about the medical reasons for abortion, there is also the mental reasons.

 

You know why? It is called the Constitution of the United States of America. It does not say that people can't change positions...it gives us freedom of speech...to voice our opinions...and that is what I am doing. Have you ever heard of this document? Here is a link, go read it.

THE FIRST AMENDMENT......to the United States Constitution.

I HAVE A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH....

I can say what I want....and so can anyone else. I have the right to persuade others...and to share my religious faith and to protest, and to march....

I have a right to work to change laws....to change my mind......to speak my mind.

http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm

What don't you get?

 

The majority of prochoice/abortion...people want abortion legal. They do not want protection for the unborn human being in the womb. Why?
They believe a woman owns her body...therefore it should be her choice what to do with it. But when you bring up late term abortion...they run, they freak out...they can't address it. Why? Their position is hypocritical. Most are not for late term abortion. They want to take the woman's rights away to choose. They don't know when viability is...they guess. They guess about everything. They pick and choose when the woman can kill and when she can't. How is this pro-woman, pro-choice?

They hate unborn babies.....they love abortion and think it solves everything.

 

Absolute BS, your fixation with late term abortion has been answered so many times by so many people, just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean you can lie.
You still can't get it through your thick skull that you have no evidence to even suggest that late term abortions are done for anything other than medical reasons .. you have never provided one reliable source to show a woman deciding on an elective late term abortion.

As far as viability is concerned I don't need to guess I actually researched the medical viewpoint and I agree with those findings .. the only people who guess are the pro-lifers who guess that a zygote is a sentient being with nothing but their book of fairy tales to back it up (and even that doesn't), spend some actual time researching the subject properly instead of reading only items that adhere to your own opinions .. you never know you might actually get educated.

Most pro-lifers resort to hyperbole, strawman, scare tactics and outright lying in order to preach their misogynistic religious clap trap.

 

what it doesn't do is give you the right to call people murderers, or nazi's or tell them to "off" themselves .. that is called hate speech and as far as I am aware is illegal even in the US.

Whether you changed your mind of not is irrelevant, you can never escape the fact that you used the law to your own advantage which at the time you obviously thought was the right thing to do .. you could choose, now you want to remove the same choice you had from every other woman which in my book makes you a hypocrite.

 

What don't I get????


DUH, YOU didn't address the question...NO one said you didn't have the right of free speech or the right to change your mind...


I asked ""What gives you the right to try and stop others using the very same""? .. hypocrite
See, no effort to restrict your freedom to answer ....

 

I am adding what I typed in RED I hope you dont take any of it as a personal attack (None came out like that in my head but I also tell my co-workers since they are all female "I dont know leave me alone" lol)

 

That statement is a little.................interesting, given the entire premise of the thread was started by a pro-choicer wanting to talk about late term abortions and foetal abnormality.

And what we see here is a real "rubber band" effect so that no matter what evidence is placed before the protagonist they will insist on returning to the same argument, bit like a broken record really

Now in psychology someone who does not alter opinions with new facts and who keeps repeating the same points regardless of how others have tried to expand the subject is known as "fixated". It is usually a sign of personal unresolved problems that they should take to a counsellor.

But all of that aside, and what few pro-lifers will discuss or address is the fact that every bit of research we have been able to do on the incidence and rationale for late term abortion points to the fact they are done for foetal abnormality incompatible with life

In general the pro-life community does not want that bandied about as they have run a very successful campaign in the USA linking abortion with late term abortion of viable foetuses.

Never once has there been any evidence that viable foetuses are being aborted post viability and there are several court cases of people like Dr Tiller to back that up. Despite this they keep returning to the same memes about viable babies dying because women find it "too inconvenient" to continue the pregnancy.

Bit like how a dog returns to it's vomit really

 

Bowerbird said,

You finally got it. Whatever a pro-lifer puts out there as far as evidence you just dismiss even if it is from science. The ungodly always bring the religious aspect up...you don't have any other avenue to argue. You can't because the evidence would as you said would be propelled by that rubber band back in YOUR FACE.

This issue is simple. This issue is about life...and the rights of the woman to kill life. You think she should be able to kill it...and I dont.

That which is in the womb is a life...or no abortionist would be needed.Mod Edit: Insult. You want the woman to have the right to kill....BUT UNDER YOUR TERMS. You take that right away from her if you say she can't abort in later terms.

The facts are out there for all to see. The clinic closings...the abortionists arrested, the women still dying by the hands of incompetent doctors..the press there to cover it all up...so that abortion can continue, all abortions.

You are (*)(*)(*)(*) right I am fixated on ending abortion. You on the other hand are fixated on abortion, infanticide....late term abortion...all should be legal...its her body right? I mean you of all people would not deny a woman her right to kill. That as I said is your aphrodisiac...abortion.

The problem are the people like the Germans that were content to look the other way. And that is the pro-choice/abort crowd today. You people are the people who would have encouraged others to walk the Jews in...to have own slaves in the South. That glove is yours to wear.

That is not my point and you avoid it. I know very well today that late term abortion is legal in most states. THAT IS NOT MY POINT. You are AVOIDING IT. Put that aside....if that is possible. If that which is in the womb is incompatible with life it would die on its own. Many doctors have told women to abort...the women have the baby and its ok. You are making an assumption that you have no right to make. If a baby has no chance of living, it will die on its own. You kill it before nature can take its course....why? Because your type of person can't stomach looking at those who might has a disability..that would keep you from your perfect life. You don't like handicapped people or people who don't look normal. You think anyone who is alive like this...certainly should have been aborted because they couldn't possibly like their lives. They have nothing to give and are a burdon not only on society but on their families. Thats how you look at it.



YOUR POSITION IS THIS. ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL BECAUSE IT IS THE WOMANS BODY, HER CHOICE. So BY YOUR OWN LOGIC...YOU SHOULD CONDONE WOMEN GETTING LATE TERM ABORTIONS FOR ANY REASON ANY TIME. WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM THEY CAN'T KILL...BECAUSE IT FINALLY MAKES YOU UNCOMFORTABLE. Why don't you work to make late term abortion legal? Then more women won't be denied the right to kill...even if they are in the minority of those who would do this.

It is what it is...and TIME MAGAZINE did a great job outlining what has taken place.

Mod Edit : Personal attack

http://christiannews.net/2012/07/13/notorious-abortionists-secret-late-term-abortuary-exposed/

http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/2011/07/26/abortionist-james-pendergraft-sued-and-exposed/

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/07/25/practitioner-must-pay-survivor-of-failed-abortion-36-million/

This is just one example....I have hundreds more.

Yes and the pro-abort is the vomit....Mod edit: Flamebait.

 

I find it amusing that you call pro-choicers hypocrites when you were one yourself when you choose to abort your fetus, now of course that you have used that choice you want to stop any other woman having the same freedom, add to that you knowingly post false comments about other members and what they believe .. you are the classical example of a hypocrite and a liar.

 

So is Obama a hypocrite for changing his mind on gay marriage? You maintain no one can change their minds on issues. I was not a hypocrite back then,,,,and I didn't blame people either. I aborted...my choice.....my fault....my consequence. MY FAULT. You pro-aborts play the blame game.

No I don't. I show very successfully why all you who champion abortion are hypocrites because of your abortion stance. And no one likes it.
You can't be pro-choice abortion and then deny woman an abortion. That is hypocritical in every way, shape or form.

How can I lie about someone? Everything I post on here anyone can read. And I can read all other posts.

 

I will not quote the previous post - it has been reported but here is a little something to think about

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1]
Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.
An example of this behavior might be blaming another for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and by redirecting libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or "projecting," those same faults onto another person or object.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

As for your links - most are pro-life and all acknowledge that his actions were ILLEGAL

And this is what you get when you force issues underground - would it not be better to have this legalised but strictly controlled so we know that the issues are valid?

And yes it is acceptable to abort a foetus that will only suffer pain if born - it is called mercy. If the developing foetus has no brain - why continue the pregnancy? If the baby would only face a lifetime of medical intervention?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/jan/26/healthandwellbeing.health

Here is a survey of people who have gone through late term abortion for foetal abnormality
http://www.healthtalkonline.org/Pregnancy_children/Ending_a_pregnancy_for_fetal_abnormality

http://www.healthtalkonline.org/Pre...a_pregnancy_for_fetal_abnormality/Topic/1990/

It was not that long ago that these babies, when born were put into "Care" or simply left to die

 

The difference between you and Obama is that by him changing his mind, no one died, while you on the other hand you took a life (according to your own opinion) .. and yes it was your choice, so why do you want to remove the very same choice you had from every other woman? Just because that choice turned out wrong for you doesn't give you the right to decide it is wrong for everyone.
You haven't shown once that pro-choice people are hypocrites except in your own twisted little mind .. All you see is that pro-choice is pro-abortion which anyone with half a mind knows is not correct, but that doesn't matter to you does it .. I have never, ever said I am pro-abortion unless you can quote me otherwise then that is a lie.
I have always maintained the same position throughout every single thread I have been involved in which is I support the choice of the mother up until the fetus is able to be an independent sentient person, which the overwhelming majority of medical people agree is 24 weeks .. if that view was to change, due to medical procedure improvements then I would expect governments to change their legislation to mirror it.
I have on other threads quoted the lies you have put forward stating that I have said something I have not .. unfortunately the MODS deleted those comments for some reason, and you are right anyone can see what I have written over the various threads .. so I invite anyone to find a thread where you have lied about what I have said, they are all there.
Your fragile emotional state over the abortion issue is plain for all to see, the way you attack people who don't agree with you, your usage of caps (shouting) in many of your replies, the aggressive nature of almost everything you say and your dismissal of anything that doesn't adhere to your ideology, without even trying to dispute it.
You are easy to dismiss as nothing more than a corner street preacher with little or anything worth listening to.

 

Why do you ASSume the person is a liberal? I am conservative and pro choice.

Did that cow in your freezer suffer? You do know that sometimes the stun bolts don't work and they get eviscerated while still alive, right?

 

You support killing them after they are born??? You have NO CALL to criticise pro choicers, IMO. None.what.so.ever.

 

Abortion is in no way, shape or form, homicide or murder. At least in my country it isn't. If it is in yours, please present the statutes making it so.

 

Anti choicers do the same, unless they are against abortion being available for rape, incest and life/health of the woman. Most of them make those exceptions, so they are for the choice when THEY approve of the reason.

Blatant lie.

 

would like to see if anyone who is anti abortions could answer my question to churchmouse, Anyone really just curious about some of these questions that have me wondering. (my girlfriend is wondering about who owns her as well, I might be able to get a nice shovelhead harley for her lol) (This was a joke, do not take it seriously my girlfriend laughed at the fact that she dosnt "own" herself)

 

You won't get an answer, not a straight one anyway, pro-lifers won't indulge.

 

Does no reply on my post mean late term abortion is still bad or does it mean a choice is better then no choice?

 

Still no answer??? gee, I'm so surprised....she may be so busy writhing in self loathing and spewing it all over that she can't answer.....