Leading climate scientist admits he was wrong - also says Al Gore was wrong

Shhhhhh! Don't question it - it is a conspiracy theory and it is such a great one! It involves vast majority of scientists in a whole range of diverse fields across the entire planet.

 

I didn't realize the One World Gov't theory still had any life in it. But how does a contrived climate issue even help achieve that end?

By "not into politics" I mean they don't play politics, which is what you're saying motivates them to... well, lie. You are right that they're into fame and prestige, neither of which they would risk by making stuff up for the sake of a politician or "movement." Fame and prestige in the scientific community come from research, integrity, and a search for truth. I'm really having a hard time believing that such a huge number of scientists could agree on something for purely political reasons.

 

What's the weather going to be In K.C.MO. on 4/29/13, I'll take a range of 1/2 a degree.

 

lmao. Your statement just proves that you don't even know what global warming or climate change is. Sorry if we don't take your opinion too seriously.

 

Do you understand the difference between weather and climate?

Don't bother answering as we already know that you don't.

 

We understand, but you are failing to understand. The science is economics based, in that the scientists who you trust with your life style and you very life make more money if they are willing to support MAN Made global warming.
It is nothing new for scientists to profit from work that they don't believe in. Robert Oppenheimer took money to develop the bomb that he didn't believe should be built and to south his conscience he helped the Russians get it too.

I don't hate science - I am a scientist, working every day to develop alternative energy for the globe. Not because others are worried about global warming but because there are trillions of BTUs of energy available that we are not using and that mean wealth for the country that exploits that energy.

So you are saying that the local TV stations that all but cry on the air about the warmest March in Texas in the history of mankind may be FoS? When it gets warm in Texas - and they measure the temperature at the airport - the locals and the national media talk it up as proof of GW.

You do know, being that you hold yourself up as a wise person who eats whatever a "Scientist" puts on your plate, that it is only recently that we could measure the global temperature?? We have a bunch of guys who make their living drilling ice cores that tell us that they can tell what the temperature was ten thousand years ago but the idiots base their opinions of the amount of CO2 in the ice. Not much CO2 so it was cold. More CO2 so it must have been warm, but not as warm as it is going to get. I have not seen one ice core study that correlate COs levels with the Medieval Warm Period. MWP lasted from around 950 to 1250, but now our scientists think that because of no data - they have the sainted ice cores - that it was probably not as warm as they once thought. In fact the GW scientists think that MWP and the Little Ice Age were just stupidity on the part of the people who don't believe that MMGW is happening.

You might learn something from your own post. In 1970 the scientists questioned each other instead of falling in line for the grant money. As you mention antibiotics you must be aware that your sainted scientists have all but abandoned the search for new antibiotics because cancer drugs pay the big bucks. Cancer drugs can cost $3k per dose but antibiotics are relatively cheap.
You must also know that much of the GW data is coming from satellites that were not available in 1940. We have no real idea what the global temperature was in 1940,, do we. We have the ice diggers telling us that they know but we can't trust them because they are being paid for the right answer.

The one thing I worry about as I drive forward toward a hydrogen energy based economy is the water. We could really screw up if we start pumping too much water vapor into the atmosphere. It is worse than CO2 - but you knew that. But I expect to capture most of the pure water produced at the big power plants - $5/gallon for eco bottled water - and I suppose we could require water tanks on vehicles to capture that water too. A hydrogen fueled power plant producing about one gWh per day could produce about 250,000 gallons of water. $1.25m per day in water sales. And we need 13gWhs more power just to keep up with demand. 20 years and a few trillion dollars and we are off of oil and natural gas but for jet fuel and manufacturing.

 

Ok so by that logic you shouldn't go to a doctor because they make more money if you are sick.

 

So what? It doesn't mean he thought a nuclear bomb was impossible. You've made a false analogy.

 

Is this pure conjecture or have you found trends in GW-scientists making significantly more money than non-GW scientists? Actually I'd be willing to accept something anecdotal at this point... are there any stories out there about this or that scientist suddenly getting a pay raise when he started backing GW?

True, that is ridiculous, but it's hardly evidence that GW is a conspiracy.

What??? Historical temperatures from ice cores are determined indirectly through isotropic analysis of the water molecules in the core, not the amount of CO2 in the ice. Why are you making stuff up?

 

OF course we do, at least as Warmists try to foist it on us:

Any temperature/weather event that supports the claim of "Anthro-global warming/climate change" is always ABSOLUTE PROOF OF Anthro-CLIMATE CHANGE.

Any temperature/weather event that shows the OPPOSITE EFFECT, is ALWAYS "just weather".


Yeah...we have it allright...

 

Eltist much? What courses EXACTLY comprise a "PHD in "CLIMATOLOGY", and who has one, from where?


Climate's 'usual tricks'

It will also reflect his new opinion that global warming has not occurred as he had expected.

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.

In 2007, Time magazine named Lovelock as one of 13 leaders and visionaries in an article on “Heroes of the Environment,” which also included Gore, Mikhail Gorbachev and Robert Redford.

“Jim Lovelock has no university, no research institute, no students. His almost unparalleled influence in environmental science is based instead on a particular way of seeing things,” Oliver Morton, of the journal Nature wrote in Time. “Humble, stubborn, charming, visionary, proud and generous, his ideas about Gaia have started a change in the conception of biology that may serve as a vital complement to the revolution that brought us the structures of DNA and proteins and the genetic code.”

 

Weather IS climate.

If you can predict the climate will get warmer in twenty years 'cause I drive a car, Then predicting the climate ONE year from now aught to be a piece of cake Right?

The global warming campaign is nothing more than a way to impose more socialism on free people.

I'm Callin' Barbra Striesand on that one.

 

Lovelock has gone from fearing MOST of the world's population dead to fearing JUST SOME of the world's population dead in a hundred years from MMGW.

The Denialists should not get to excited about this Lovelock's POV.

 

Lovelock has admitted his ERROR in delcaring the Big Climate Emergency that WASN'T, ISN'T,and doens not appear to "will be", either....but this is no surprise to the objective, critical thinkers among us....

 

The whole debate has never made any sense to me. Its like believing in God. If you don't and he doesn't exist, well there ya go. Pat on the back. ... but if your wrong......

in this case the whole earth is f*cked.

 

How so? A warming climate has ALWAYS been GOOD for Life in Earth, every other (of the many) time it has happened.

 

It's been a massive scam. It has been exposed as such to most thinking people. Keep industry as clean as possible, everyone else do your part, and stop feeling guilt at the hands of the thieves like Al Gore and his accomplices the carbon tax credit criminals.

 

Gore wasn't wrong-he lied. he knew that historical temperature rises predated rises in CO2.

 

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You are correct, mikezila.

We now know from reliable satellite data that the global temperatures rises which caused sea surface temperatures to rise.

As the sea surface becomes warmer, the ocean releases more CO2 to the atmosphere.

This is the scientific reason, by the way, CO2 increases always LAG global temperature increases and temperature increased always lead CO2 increases.

Case closed. Problem solved!

 

I agree. Screw Gore getting a "I was just wrong" pass. Freaking criminal.

 

Your description is why MMGW will get WORSE FASTER as it progresses! Its funny because ALL you have done is IDENTIFIED what the scientists have been warning about all along!

The runaway effect of the the ocean's release of CO2, the tundra's release of MASSIVE amounts of SUPER-GLOBAL-WARMING GASES like methane, the LOSS of the heat-reflecting albedo of the ice and snow covered poles, the release of the methane deposits in the ocean from warmer water, and so much more that results from humans pushing the planet over a tipping point with its HUGE releases of CO2.

What scientists are warning about is the prospects for HUMAN life on earth!

Kudzu and other plants may enjoy hotter, wetter climates, but the same thing is not so good for humans and their existing physiology and infrastructure.

But indeed, if you are a fan of VERY violent storms and heavy rains, choking super-Amazon jungles, massive hordes of insects, and reptilian life being at the top of the food chain, I guess MMGW would be a Good Idea to you!

 

Weather is not the same thing as climate

Oh! and while I am here anyway and given you are American

Local is not the same thing as global

 

Zing.

 

And this is the bottom line - people are actually getting sick and tired of the back and forth argument. They might not believe in AGW but they "get it" that we really really really need to change how we are producing electricity - for lots of reasons. I think this would become an area of mutual agreement were the older arguments not kept alive by "point scoring" by denialists

((((((((((((((((((((Sigh)))))))))))) and back to AGW - there are more proxies than ice cores and we are finding more every day - please keep up with the science. as for the antibiotics - well, what do you expect from an industry that is profit based - people have yet to prove to me where the bloody profit is in sitting in the antarctic freezing your nuts off

 

The title is a misrepresentation of Lovelock's view. He said they were too alarmist, not that they were wrong. It's still happening, but not so fast or in quite the way they expected a decade ago. Science does that, it takes account of new data.