Legalizing marijuana

Except we have at least an additional 50% resources to target the cartels (because DEA and police aren't spending time and effort on marijuana) and the cartels get their profits cut by about 50% (which the illegal marijuana business generates for them now). Legalizing marijuana would permit us to hit the cartels hard if we really wanted to.

 

The VERY BEST POT was designed at Hampshire College in Mass. and is Grown in California and known as California Sensimilla.

Hampshire College is a Top Notch Agricultural College and is near U-Mass....Amherst College....Smith College Mount and Holyoke College....among a LARGE NUMBER OF THE VERY BEST COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD.

The other day I and a friend were thinking about just how many such Colleges are in Massachusetts.

You have also Harvard, M.I.T., Cambridge, W.P.I. and so many top notch schools I looked them up on line and there are literally over a HUNDRED.

I hold Multiple Degrees and one is from a Massachusetts based world renown Higher Learning Institute.

Now this school is a place where the very best minds from around the PLANET go to study and learn and create and develop things as this school generates an ENORMOUS amount of Classified Tech. for the U.S. Military.

But still....some of the BRIGHTEST MINDS ON EARTH....on occasion would be SPINNING UP A JOINT AND BURNING ONE UP!! LOL!!!

Now as I said I do not tend to smoke and I don't like how I feel on Pot but when I was in school we would have a guy from Bangladesh who was Muslim and a guy from India who was Hindu and a bunch of American's of various but mostly Christian Faiths and we even had a girl from Red China which at the time was rare.

All these...BRILLIANT MINDS....after spending day's Crash Studying for a Test....would just Light one up!

Pot Smoking...if one does it CONSTANTLY....I can see how it could effect a person's mental ability but such is the same thing with Alcohol.

A person using Pot in MODERATION....I don't see any issue with it.

And MAN....can a person get in the ZONE playing ASTEROIDS!!! LOL!!!

Showing my age.

AboveAlpha

 

I agree. I spent a decade in the armed forces, where there are signs everywhere that says ZERO TOLERANCE drug policy. But then I go to a fairly prestigious school, and they have huge signs hanging in the hallways celebrating the right their faculty has to refuse drug tests. LOL. Marijuana can have negative effects just like anything else in excess. But imo, it also can give genius insights on occasion.

 

that just means the states can decide if they want it legal or not....


and it pleases me greatly that 48 of them still enrage potheads..... lol

 

Because thats the Christian thing to do......

 

I understand that... but it still pleases me to watch potheads cry over it.... it's like instant karma for them being such tool-bags with their selfish habit....

meh.... it is funny to hear that from a liberal though...

the fact that you justify them risking their careers/family well being is frightening.... how often do you risk your family's well being for the ganja, the mary jane....


I know if alcohol was made illegal tomorrow.... I could survive..... if drinking that sweet SWEET jack daniels/dr. pepper meant I had to risk losing my job, possibly house, career... etc.... it's a no brainer.... I give it up.

Apparently, pot ranks higher to you than your family well being....

insta-karma.... I find it hilarious.

I didn't say it was my bottom.... there are many MANY other priorities I have, those were just my top 4.... and no, country does not rank above family or God for me. I have no issues in announcing, or standing by, that

you smoking pot affects me....

My college roommates loved that stuff. They smoked it every night while I was studying to become a teacher. I ignored it, even through the contact headaches I would get because I didn't want to be that guy and just didn't want to cause friction in the dorm room. However, RA knocked on the door and gave EVERYONE, even me, a warning about it, despite me not actually doing it. They said if we didn't stop, they were going to call the campus police.

I realized right then, despite it being a slap on the wrist for my pothead roomies, I had a lot to lose if the cops came in. I was trying to get into education, and how many jobs do you think someone with a drug arrest will get in education.....

So I asked the roomies to do it somewhere else and told them my very valid concerns. I didn't care that they did it. A part of me actually wanted to be able to, too.... but I wasn't entering a career where I could afford the cops to come over while they were doing it.

The roomies said no, because it was their right to do it in their dorm since they paid rent just like I did.

at that point, I lost it.... I was outnumbered 3:1 (and a beatdown wasn't anything I really wanted, but screw them, they were the ones doing something illegal)

I told them I'm going to call the cops myself if they ever did it in the dorm again. They were pissed.... cussing, threatening to kick my ass (I thought pot made you mellow, )


I didn't care. Call my bluffs ********s... I realized that being nice about it didn't work. and the only one that actually risked anything in the situation, was me... the one guy NOT doing the crap.

I was done appeasing pot heads right then at 23 y.o. It showed me the inconsiderate nature, just like smokers, that potheads had..... I lose ZERO sleep hearing about how some poor dope-head got fired and his house foreclosed on because he couldn't get another job over it. He screams it's not a real crime and his case is why it should be legalized.... never once, admitting he put pot in front of his family's well-being. WTH is in that stuff to make you risk all of that.....

according to the gay agenda... marriage is..... but I'll address the other two points

and if any of those things are declared illegal.... I can give up alcohol instantly.... and smoking.... well again, I have no sympathy for people that choose to put that ahead of their family's health....

I don't speed, ever.... No tickets and no wrecks is the outcome of that. I know you have to take my word for it as I Have no way of proving my driving habits... but it's a point of humor amoung my family.... "let Javis leave now, we'll leave in 10 minutes and still beat him..."

Speed is another thing... people think they save so much time, and have no issues risking the lives of loved ones even though they don't gain anything thanks to getting caught at lights...

not me....

I don't. I sped as a teenager.... I got pulled over at 17.... in a red sports car... by a female cop (not sure that makes a difference, but FYI) I got a warning. The ticket would have been over 300$ (in 1992) I made $4.75 an hour.... I paid for college myself.... I couldn't have afforded that ticket had she written it.

I made a decision right then.... I got a freebie, and I decided I wasn't going to look that gift horse in the mouth, and there was nothing I needed to do that was important enough that I had to speed. Leave a little bit earlier.


Since then, the only other time I have been pulled over for speeding was in 08, when I didn't see a school zone sign flashing (there was a flashing yellow light at the intesection, and another yellow light alerting you of traffic at the intersection.... it's a complete cluster there....) and I missed it. The normal posted speedlimit reduced from 60 to 45 in that section anyways, and I was clocked at 44. I got off and the only reason the cop said by clocking me at the reduced speed told him I really did miss it and wasn't just speeding through that (podunk) town. Had I been doing 65, you know, just a modest amount over the normal speed limit, and just ignored the 1 mile where it was 45, and the 1/2 mile it was 20 for the school, he would have rung me up.



I know you probably won't believe me that I don't speed... but I don't. at first, it was because I coulnd't afford to pay the ticket and still make tuition. Now that I have a family, it's because speed kills. I'm also educated enough to understand that 1. I'm not Dale Earnhart, Jr and 2. I am driving a 5000# vehicle. speed reduces my reaction times in bad situations.....

again, you can crack on my religion all you want.... that won't sway my faith, or my stance on this, or many other subjects. I find it's usually just a tactic used by those who think "how dare he not think exactly the way I think and believe..... let's try to get him just as mad as I am by attacking something he holds close to his heart"

I could not care less

or is it

I could care less.....

either way... you get my point.

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bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha


you keep trying.... lol

 

I'd argue that the 14th says no, but regardless, once the States see that Colorado is raking in the dough and doesn't explode, there will be wave after wave of copy-cats. I'd say less than 5 years, it's legal in virtually (if not literally) every state.

 

No. It's the Stateist Fascist "I own you so do as I say" thing to do. But on second thought, I just repeated what you said.

 

Then you are a sheep. How do I possess the authority to tell you that you cannot drink alcohol? I don't even know you. If you would listen to me under such circumstances, that is your problem. i will NOT listen to you.

 

I wonder what god it is you think you give priority to......certainly not the one of Christ.

 

Christ has a GOD?

How much did it cost him?

Oh...that's right....it cost him his life.

Perhaps B.J's or COSTCO or maybe even WALMART has GOD'S on clearance this March as it has been a TOUGH WINTER?

But I will not pay anything more than a Little Toe or perhaps I might go as high as a Kidney.

I heard the Chinese were making Knock Off GOD'S and they made their way to the Oakland Ship Yard Port....in some unmarked metal shipping container as there were guy's selling them out of VANS they drove to various Mall Parking Lots all up and down the coast from San Diego to Beverly Hills.

But I guess the Christian Church Leadership hired some LAWYERS and they had the Shipyard Security tightened up and all those Knock Off GOD'S were CONFISCATED.

The problem really came to a head when Sarah Jessica Parker was spotted at the Emmy's sitting next to a Chinese Knock Off of a Hindu GOD but when she was confronted she acted just like she did when she was caught with a DOLCE PURSE KNOCK OFF at a Oscars After Party a few years back!! LOL!!!

She said at the Emmy's she was so embarrassed and feigned ignorance and said..."I am just glad I didn't buy the TRINITY 3 IN ONE WORKING GIRL HANDBAG!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Sure is a lot of whining by the pro-prohibition crowd.

Guess if pot gets legalized they will have to find some other adult activity to outlaw.

Personally I hope they go for bag-pipe playing. I worry though that they might go to work on outlawing chocolate.

 

I vote for getting rid of allowing people to knock at your door at 8:30 am and ask you if you have allowed the LORD to enter your heart? LOL!!!

Have you heard the word of the Lord today?....I was asked.

Uhhh....what time is it?

It is TIME for all of us to sing HIS praises and worship!

Huh? What? Is Keith Richards in town?

Let me GIVE you this leaflet!!!

Uhh? Thanks. I then blow my nose into it. LOL!!

Can we come in and talk to you and show you some of these books?

Uhh.....can YOU get the F@#$ OFF MY FRONT PORCH!!!??

AboveAlpha

 

Unfair stereotype. Most stoners lean libertarian. Most I know smoke tobacco themselves, at least occasionally. The only way to smoke cannabis in Europe is spun with tobacco.

I do see your point though - for some reason a lot of progressives are pro-legalization, while simultaneously wanting to seriously limit or prohibit tobacco smoking. I have no interest in such positions.

Pretty much. Think of medicinal marijuana as a 'closed beta' for cannabis legalization. That said, there are certainly instances where it can be helpful. There is very real evidence that cannabis can slow the growth of cancer (if not smoked). Pain relief and appetite stimulation are also important medical benefits. So while I agree medical cannabis is mostly a way of trialing legalization, it does have real medical benefits, and there are legitimate patients out there.

This is not a fair analysis. Sure, cannabis is intoxicating, but it's a very, very different high to that of alcohol. Alcohol causes child abuse, wife beating, assault, etc. It can very easily make a normal person aggressive. Cannabis is a bit different - the high is mellow, you feel like having some fast food and watching cartoons. Harming someone while high would be a very difficult experience. It's not something that would be aided by cannabis consumption.

As far as road accidents go - nobody is proposing that being high on cannabis while driving is acceptable/should be legal. Same with alcohol. We have swab kits that detect cannabis use in the past 6 hours - just like how we have blood alcohol test kits. Cannabis presents no additional problem.

Nobody buys this argument for alcohol because it has been removed from the illegal sphere. I guess the argument goes "well if you've used one illegal drug, why not another?" - I don't see how this helps your case. Quite the opposite. Another 'problem' that could be solved through legalization.

Also, smoking cannabis doesn't make you want to go out and shoot up heroin. The gateway drug theory is completely arbitrary. I used alcohol before cannabis. I used nicotine before that. I used caffeine before that. It unfairly singles out cannabis for no medical reason whatsoever.

I'm not one of those people who pretends cannabis isn't addictive - it is. I've experienced withdrawal from alcohol and cannabis. The former is significantly more difficult. The withdrawal symptoms with cannabis are limited to difficulty getting to sleep, loss of appetite, and minor anxiety. Quitting is not difficult like it is with alcohol.

Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for rehab. The war on drugs is a trillion dollar war. You're not solving anything by maintaining this perpetual cash drain - it's doing nothing. 30% of Americans have used it.

If you're basing your decision purely on money, legalization is the only viable option. The alternative is a disaster.

I hope the black market doesn't disappear. It's far more efficient, and infinitely more free than the state-approved market. The only reason why people can't buy a seed for 50 cents and grow a few ounces is due to government interference in the market. The risk of prison is responsible for the vast, vast majority of cannabis' value. And that value is what invites crime.

This is the problem I have with social conservatives. When it comes down to it, they really hate free markets. They're massive fans of brutally enforced state regulation.

All drugs should be fully legal and unregulated. Cannabis, alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, heroin, LSD, crystal meth, bath salts, etc.

 

if putting my family above my own selfish wants and desires makes me a sheep.... baaaaahhhh


Don't listen to me (or others that want pot to stay illegal), that's your prerogative to put your own selfishness above their needs. For your family's sake, I hope you never get caught.... it's not your children's fault you feel weed is more important than keeping them in a stable home

 

you just keep holding your breathe.... lol.....

 

oh no.... someone took a pot shot at my faith, I must now reevaluate everything in my life because someone who has no problem risking his own children's welfare because he's addicted to weed is e-judging me....

I better skip church and light a fatty up in hopes that I gain his approval....

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 1:29&version=KJ21

Genesis 1:29

21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


stop trying to take away that which you believe your God has given us



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1:12&version=NKJV

Genesis 1:12

New King James Version (NKJV)

12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

it says God saw it was Good, you see it as bad, seems you and God are not on the same page
.

 

he also said not to eat of the tree of life.... but you conveniently left that verse out from your out of context quote....

 

I think you meant the tree of knowledge, it seems he likes his followers stupid like sheep

but are you saying that marijuana is the tree of life? or the tree of knowledge? whichever it was that you meant...


.

 

I've heard it both ways.... either way... . potshot noted again.... lol



it just illustrates that tree of knowledge/truth can be anything you put too much importance on....

 

Yes, it is just horrifying. Everyone who has ever drank alcohol surely has risked their careers and family every single time. It is exactly the same as swimming with sharks or jumping off a cliff. Frightening. So frightening.

Technically never. I have no interest in pot myself. Or alcohol. Just an interest in retaining personal freedoms.

But...but it is impossible to drink without risking your career and family. You have said it yourself. There is no inbetween. Any time you drink even a single drop it is a massive risk.

Because I don't do it? LOL

Not sure where you got the idea that I do pot. I never even implied it in any of my posts.

So it makes sense that you would ignore laws you don't like.

The only example you gave was of your roommate...if I am not living with you, why would it matter to you if I got high in my own home? None of the consequences you listed would apply if I was not living with you.

It must be really aggravating for you that it is being made legal. That you cannot control other people's lives.

Why are you afraid to answer my question?

 

I realize you are in an all or none fight for your precious pot.... but you know that's not what I said. Of course, you're not interested because your agenda is clear...

you as in general you terms.... to anyone that DOES smoke pot clearly puts their habit above the welfare of their families since they risk it all if they were ever going to get caught.



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if it's constitutionally protected.... sure.... Speeding just because you want to drive 70 instead of 45 is not some noble undertaking.... it just means you're a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that thinks you are above the law.... Same with pot

I watch as smokers congregate around resturaunt doors that I try to get in
flipping butts out the car windows
puffing away with kids in the car
and when it's raining, that doesn't stop them from smoking with the kids in the car, they simply crack the window
have foodstamps because they can't afford food, but they can damn sure afford cigerrettes. I chuckled one time as I was paying for gas.... the girl in front of me had 10$. She wanted a "loosie" (where some less than reputable convenience store clerks will bust open a pack and sell each one for a dollar) Of course, they have a generic ".99" button they push so it gets taxed at the state rate. Mother of the year was trying to figure out how much that would leave her for gas if she bought 1 loosie.....


all of those actions by smokers leads me to believe, pot smokers would be absololutely no different than tobacco smokers....

it'll be a failed social experiment..... it must aggrevate you that 48 still have it illegal.... despite what a vocal minority wants.... That's democracy for ya though

I did answer that question.... 1.... according to gay agenda... marriage is a right. So that is dismissed right off the bat. But I went on to continue to address the other two points. I argued it was a state's perogative.

 

Nah- I was just trying out posting like you to see how I liked it. Kind of made me feel like i needed a shower.

I will try to avoid that kind of imitation in the future.

 

Yes, how absurd that I would not want to control everyone else. Whats wrong with me?

Pot is not illegal where I live. Therefore it is not analogous to speeding. Sorry.

That's a great argument against cigarette smokers. If only that was what this thread was about.

Or drinkers.

Oh wait, but you drink. The stereotypes are different when it is a vice you like. You're special.

Like Prohibition?

Not really. They are entitled to make their own laws. My laws are the way I want them on this issue. I am getting my way where I live.

Seems to be working well from what I can see. What alternative to democracy would you prefer?

I asked "Only things in the Constitution should be allowed?"... You did not answer that question. I think we both know why.