Let me explain why Trump's comments to Sgt Johnson's widow are alarming

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Listening to right-wing media today, it's clear that not even they believe Trump when he says he didn't make the remark "He knew what what he signed up for" to Sgt Johnson's widow. Because today, instead of denying it they have been trying to justify the phrase. What can you say about Trump's credibility that not even his own supporters now believe him?

    So I won't. I'll just explain why this statement is... more than inappropriate. It should actually be alarming

    First of all, anybody who has ever offered sincere condolences to somebody understands that it's not about the person who died. It's about the person you are offering the condolences to. This is not about whether Sgt Johnson knew what he signed up for or not. This is about his widow. Right here the lack of sincerity in Trump's call becomes obvious.

    But the most important point is this: There is an implicit and ineludible responsibility that the Commander in Chief carries for every single military person who dies under his command. Presidents know this. This is one of the main reasons why they don't just take us into a war every time they are pissed at another country. They feel responsible for the life of their men, and the suffering of many families. An empathy that makes them think twice, three times,... a hundred times... before sending young people to war knowing many of them will die.

    Trump does not feel such empathy. His comments to this widow are evidence of this. He does not feel responsible. And this is the worst part. The empathy "safeguard" is not present in him.

    On top of that, he eludes responsibility. "He knew what he signed up for" is the same as saying "Getting himself killed is his responsibility, not mine". However, it is Trump's responsibility. He is responsible for every single life under his command. Will Trump ever understand this?
     
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    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Basically, anything or anyone who said anything bad about Trump deserves to be attacked, according to Trump's sheep.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The TDS and using soldiers for political gain continues.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Blind excuses for Trump's incompetence from his fanatic followers continue.

    Trump was the one who introduced this as a political issue. When he tried to attack Obama by lying.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, what a goal post move!
     
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    Dude this is already old news try to keep up. The mother and congresswoman were exposed as hacks. Trump is proven great once again.
     
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    (CNN) The father of a slain US serviceman told CNN he believes critics of President Donald Trump's reported comments to a soldier's widow mistook his intended meaning.
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    That father has common sense.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes. And he is also saying, as all people with common sense would say, that Trump is a liar.

    "I didn't say what that congresswoman said, didn't say it at all. She knows it,"
    -Trump
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I would try to "bury that story" after John Kelly's speech confirms it?

    Man! You guys really live in an alternative fantasy universe, don't you? Not only do I not bury it. I opened a new thread and pointed you to it.

    Trump lied! No way around that fact! At least not in the real world.

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    You join the military, you know what you are signing up for. To claim otherwise is pure stupidity.

    And the soldier was Green Beret, he volunteered to not just go into the Army but to step directly into the fight. Don't disrespect him by claiming he didn't know what he was getting into.
     
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    The comments are alarming because this shows nothing is sacred to libs. They'll play politics with anything.
     
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    Sorry... you don't get that one either. The politization was started by Trump. He responded to a non-political question by using it to try to attack Obama by lying. That's how it started.

    I know Republicans don't actually give much credibility to facts. But here's the video when all this started.

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/16/trump-calling-families-of-niger-kia-troops-sot.cnn

    Now... if you want to correct your statement, you will have increased your credibility. Otherwise... what can I say....
     
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    You and any association you have to facts are mutually exclusive.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Don't worry about me. Worry about the video I posted.

    I don't even have to say anything other than "play the video,, dopey!" to show that you, as all Trump fanatics, are completely immune to any type of reasoning whatsoever. Thereby proving that you should not ever to be taken seriously.
     

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    You know I am not a Trump fan. He does many stupid things. But in this instance I applaud him for trying to take some responsibility for the lost lives of our soldiers. A President does not need to do that and in fact as General Kelly said he recommended he dont do it. But Trump does what he thinks is right even when it is not smart. I think he bungled this more from it being a situation he was not used to not from any kind of malice or character flaw.

    Trump is a tool but this time he was trying to do the right thing and frankly we should try to promote that concept. He does not always do the "right" thing and he needs encouragement.
     
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    Well there goes my afternoon
     
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    You seem to think that he did this out of the "goodness of his heart". No! He did it because he was called out by a reporter for not doing it. Because he lied about Obama not doing the same. And because he was likely to be called out again if he didn't. In other words, he did the right thing for the wrong reason. Namely, political reasons.

    General Kelly is a good human being. Have you asked yourself why he would give Trump that advise? To me it's pretty obvious. Because you can't give sincere condolences unless you feel empathy. Trump is incapable of feeling empathy. If he did, he wouldn't have needed to ask General Kelly what to say. So the General feared that this lack of empathy would show and Trump would botch the condolences. And lo and behold... that's exactly what Trump did.
     
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    Gen Kelly made more sense than the family, the congresswoman, and the media, all put together. Anyone who thinks Trump's considerate call was not from his heart is dumber than Hillary.
     
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    We have another individual that was in the car when president Trump called. Must have been a very large car.
     
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    Did you hear gen kellys remarks on this today?
     
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    Right. Wasn't the GOP thinking about warming up ANOTHER "investigation" into Benghazi?
     
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    I think from looking at your past posts that Trump could heal the sick and resurrect the dead and you would still call him out for getting mud on the carpet while doing it. He sucks but not everything he does is bad.
     
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    Your funny hat congress lady with a record of non-support for veterans and a record of rushing to judgement on anything American introduced this.
     
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