Let's talk about Race

Forums Are not the best but they'll do for the time being. In the streets is better as we can all see what " race" we are lol
Clearly as you stated the problem is mainly with racist here whom I assume are white, I honestly don't think I've ever come a cRoss someone who I assume is " black" as racist. To me it's clearly white folk that we all know and could name in a heartbeat who are the racists here.
Anyway, I really enjoy( as far as enjoyment goes on here) your posts and I hate posting from my iPhone typing sucks on it

 

Unfortunately for about 45 of those 50 years we have all been fed unapologetic lies, shameful ones, pathetic and deranged consequences of a desperate man.
Thankfully, over the last 5 we have begun to see remnants of truth( thanks to da webs etc) and real discussions have begun. Surely u can see this now I posted it

 

All I can say is that if you look at the country 6+ years ago and compare it to today, the process of elimination will tell you that any criticism of Obama HAS to be racially motivated.

 

This is why talking doesn't solve anything. Either people don't listen, don't care or think it's all useless lies.

People like ^^^^^ only listen to the words they want to hear.

 

So you are saying that we should give America back to the Native Americans?

 

I know where you want to take the argument, but you know as well as I do how difficult that would be, what maybe a few hundred thousand people of Native American origin? Plus, they had accepted a Natural Habitat for so long, could they effectively move into the cities? In spite of that long standing offer being out there, they hadn't really accepted it.

Mostly because they're just fine in the forests, etc, as their ancestors were. This is pretty much an acceptable living arrangement, that could've come without bloodshed had the two sides took a bit longer to see their natural differences weren't so oppressive against each other. We are indeed a "Nation of Immigrants", but which immigrants? There was an entirely different philosophy from the 17th-20th century, and recent 21st century immigration ideals.

In other words, America was largely a European-English continent, and based its immigration policies on that fact. This made for an ideal submerging of different, but culturally similar people. The Liberals/Marxists around the mid-60's however, decried this as "racist" and hence began the subtle transformation, including the disgrace that was the 1986 Simpson bill.

As we all know by now, this wasn't to culturally enrich America(not that immigrants from the second-third world could possibly enrich this continent) but to garner democratic votes. With Neo-con Republicans joining in, the American Citizenry is screwed. Every Natural-Born American is now in second place, and Legal Immigrants in third place.

We, the people of America must unscrew the country. And that first means to acknowledge we are a European-English continent, and that there's nothing wrong with that. Politicians want to use the word "White", but do you know how biologically silly it is?

I'm a German-American, I make up about 25% of "Whites"(or Caucasian-Americans). But what about French-Americans, British-Americans, etc, etc? All "Whites" are essentially European in nature. We're the EU, before the EU even existed. The ones who indentured slavery are long gone, and the demographics to go with it.

The Politicians want to stay in office, and have denied our rightful heritage to accomplish it. Only by reclaiming this country as a European-English union, which can support its minority class can we finally rid ourselves of these parasites.

America for the Americans, ALL Americans. Our enemy is the Plutocracy.

 

youre just being contrary

 

so that's a no then

So basically we all have to play by your rules because why?

 

Because without the Caucasian-Americans, there would be no America. The Natives would've been outran like the Navajo, probably by your British Ancestry. After all, King George had enough power. Even we couldn't have won our independence without France in the Battle of Virginia.

Even today, let's say you round up every Caucasian-American. Who are you going to replace our political leadership with? The Hispanics? ROFL. Look at Mexico, look at the US and understand how much of a downgrade that would be.

If the Africans cannot govern over their towns and communities, they sure as hell cannot(as we now know without question) govern over the country. With all due apologies to the African-American Community, but thanks to BHO himself, they no longer have a clean slate from a socio-political standpoint. Neutrality will immediately come into question, since they hold their irrational grudges over things we didn't do. I was born in 1992, I'm a son of German immigrants, WHO did I indenture?

No one, that's who. But tell that to the average hoodie. Of all the immigrants, I'd throw my support to the Asian-Americans, they have the best track record(especially after the war.) Only, unfortunately the Asian-Americans are even more of a demographic minority than the Hispanics-Blacks, even though they're vastly culturally superior.

So, by process of elimination it's either us, or no one else. No one else has the ability to proclaim neutrality and to govern the country effectively. Or if they do(Asians), they have a hard time gathering a political coalition. So yeah, it "sucks"(not really), but we Caucasian-Americans are the rulers of our own country.

And once we politically defeat the Plutocracy, we'll even more tighten our hold on our own continent, which our Forefathers conquered.

 

Luckily we don't have to listen to racists. They are irrelevant. All of this garbage AmericanNationalist is talking about defeating the plutocracy and White Americans having the natural right to rule America because of cultural superiority is a fantasy.

 

You're not very egalitarian if you continue to reference to "White Americans", an oxymoron considering that there are a bunch of Nationalities within the "White" race. Something Teddy Roosevelt understood, but is lost on today's Liberals(actually, to be fair on most Americans. But then, our education sucks rocks)

What's a fantasy, is the very idea of equality between the Nationalities. That is to say, you seem to be harboring the delusion that every Nationality could build a great society. But our past 1,000 years of existence has put this decidedly in question(if not outright proved it false). We could theoretically even out all of the natural produce of the Earth and it still wouldn't result in an equilibrium.

Do you know why? You do, but your naivety refuses to let you accept it. It's because not everyone will use that produce in an effective way. That's why the British ruled the world for a long time, and our cleverness with Lend-Lease broke the British Empire where armies couldn't. Only he who has reached the top has the right to be able to rule over others. Nay, he has the obligation to rule over others.

If not for the British Empire and our American Empire, the world would have been under chaos, as it was in the Black Plague of Europe. The world requires leadership, and that leadership will steer the world forward. You may have noticed that America has become weak, and is no longer the predominate power.

Liberal theorem is to blame for it all. Where a country was once united, it's since disintegrated. Where a country was once self-interested, it then became interested in the "welfare" of others at the consequence of its own. Where a country once looked after each other, it now looks after petty corporate interests.
Reality is a very cruel and very harsh master of our lives. You can think of all the wonderful theories in Academia, but beyond those closed walls it means absolutely nothing.

If you want true egalitarianism, you must first come to accept the truth behind our differences and the limitations imposed by them. It's complete rubbish to think that we're all the same and that therefore, we should all be treated the same. We're not clones. Only by allowing the various different individuals to act accordingly and yet united in their own interests, can true egalitarianism take its form.

Even our country, which may very well be united is only united by an ideal. If the individuals within the country don't believe in the ideal(for example: Liberals) then it can never be united. The past 30 years has seen a great American decline, because we refused to accept the truth. I found the Truth, I've accepted the truth and now, I will use the Truth to once more unite us and become a World Power once again.

 

What a load of racist nonsense. First of all America is the greatest super power in the world. We are recovering from 8 years of bad policies by the Bush administration. Before that under Clinton we were doing very well. Notice a pattern? Democrats make good Presidents and Republicans make bad ones, at least in recent history. What basis do you have to claim that not all groups are capable of building advanced societies? You say that even if resources were evenly distributed it can't be done. Have you ever seen this experiment take place? If not then how do you know? You are simply making racist assumptions about human nature that are not backed up by facts. Saying we are not clones is a strawman. All groups have the same potential for success it is environmental differences that make the world unequal.

 

The evidence we see all over the world.

 

Evidence that not all groups are capable of building advanced societies under any circumstances?

 

This will always be one of the biggest mysteries in American politics ever. How the hell does an idiot like Bush get elected after 8 years of Clinton, who was the best president we had in a long while?

It didn't make sense then, it doesn't make sense now, and it won't make sense in the future. The only explanation is that this country is rife with low information right wing idiots.

 

through arabia has been an option for quite sometime but discounting the nile valley as the map appears to imply seems to be an oversight...rivers are a magnet for life an ideal channel for human expansion...

 

If you want to talk about "race" to eliminate the stupid beliefs behind it then I'm all for it ....but talking to racists who deliberately misconstrue science to support their idiotic beliefs is a waste of time...racists are stupid people who need to be ignored....

 

I agree. Unfortunately this forum is saturated with racists, which is to be expected because anywhere that race is discussed you're going to attract racists. So if we want to talk about race here we almost need to refute the racists as part of normal discourse. But I've come to realize that the more energy I put in to it the more of a waste of time I recognize it to be so I don't go overboard with it any more.

 

We "racists" really don't need to misconstrue science, pretty much all of modern science agrees with us.

 

as you stated earlier discuss racism but don't dicuss their scientific claims for racism... science doesn't support their claims and it's clear none of those you have been battling with have any knowledge of genetics, biology or anthroplogy ....

 

and with every post you'll verify my point...

 

I believe pretty fantasy X because science.

 

You didn't answer my question. Are you claiming that certain groups can't develop advanced societies under any circumstances?

So for instance if America handed over all of its wealth and resources to Black people they couldn't run the country, because they are Black?

Suppose we decided to create a whole new nation and gave it the most wealth and resources in the world but only allowed the most intelligent Blacks in to the country to live and govern. They still couldn't run a successful country because they are Black people?

Is that what you are saying? If that is what you are saying then your views are not based on science they are based on racism because even allowing for your racist theories that some groups have lesser average intelligence than others they could still conceivably build an advanced society under certain circumstances. Don't complain about the implausibility of my scenarios because we are speaking hypothetically. I want to see how far you are willing to take this racist lunacy. That question goes for AmericanNationalist as well, since he wants to write so much I want to hear both of your thoughts on this.

In the past I have felt obligated to discuss science with the racists because I believe I have the capability of debating them on that subject. But I do agree that there is a certain point where you shouldn't even indulge them in conversation because at the end of the day you have to realize that you're really battling a racist ideology and not a legitimate scientific position and ideology for racists is like a religion. All you are going to get from a religious fanatic is anger for questioning their doctrine and racists are a less polite and sane version of a religious fanatic.

I was shocked when the Gore-Bush election was so close. Forget about the controversy surrounding the voting itself, the fact that it was even that close means that enough people believed Bush could be a good President. The fact that he was a horrible President almost surely meant that he would not be a second term President but defying all logic he was able to do it again against Kerry. If your recall before the economy collapsed even the race between Obama and McCain was close. American voters showed some sanity when they voted for Obama. I think a lot of them were scared and finally recognized that the Republicans could not get them out of the current economic crisis.

We do have a lot of right wing idiots in this country. The south and midwest are saturated by them. Fox News banks off of their stupidity. I just hope that enough independents recognize the struggle Obama went through to turn this country around and that it is because of Democratic policies that we were able to get out of this mess. A lot of Obama's economic advisers were in the Clinton administration and its because of Democrats that we were able to escape the recession. We can no longer afford to allow conservatism to reign supreme in this country. Their policies are so bad they are dangerous and that is a proven fact.

 

Right.

 

And what is your reasoning for this belief? Still playing the science angle?